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Has anyone caught any blacknose crappie in Conway this year, I usually catch a few each year, never very large, But very interesting to look at. I was told there was a reason for the special breeding of the blacknose crappie for research, but cant remember what its was for. Does anyone know why the came up with the special breed.
The Black mark is just a trait that showed up on Black Crappie from White River Watershed. AGFC use them to stock supposedly to see how well stocked fish doing?
Are they only in conway???
I've caught them in Dardanelle and Nimrod lakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by supergooser
I have caught them In Greers, the White River and Lake Ouachita.
i have caught them in a lot of lakes , bayou and oxbows in so.east. ar. and some ms. oxbows.
Degray and Greeson too.
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Caught this one between a couple of rocks :D :D
I fish a farm pond stocked with them.... Do they get as large as a regular crappie.
i have never caught one over 3/4 lb. that i can remember. they are real fighters , we call them racing stripe crappie.
Hey guys. I'm not sure about the black nose being a "white river strain". I'm a fisheries biologist, and the story that I always heard was that this was a strain of fish that Tennessee developed. It is a natural trait found in some black crappie that must be dominant, bc parents always produce progeny with the mark. The advantage of the mark is that when it is stocked by a wildlife agency into a body of water that doesn't have them, it is obvious whether they do well or not. Basically, a way to determine if stockings are successful or not. Here is a link to a scientific abstract from the Souther Division of the American Fisheries Society, the premier fisheries management society in the world.
Crappie Stocking in Tennessee: The Blacknose Crappie Experience
Again, this is just what I have always heard, and what I could quickly find by searching.
I am from Illinois and they have them in a number of lakes. We called them Arkansas Snub Nose Crappie. Really never caught the good ones but now they are keeper and better size. 10 inches +. That is my two sense worth.
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Originally Posted by cache22
you nut.
I have caught them from Lake Houston in Texas about 30 years ago.
DP
Ok folks. I was not 100% correct. I thought about this one last night, and decided to look into it further. Here is the TRUE story of the "blacknose crappie". The fish was first described in the scientific community by two guys named Buchanan (the leading authority of fish identification in Arkansas) and Bryant. This does not mean discovered by any means, just described scientifically for the first time. They were describing the trait in the black crappie population in Beaver lake in northwest Arkansas. Since then, it has been found that the trait occurs naturally in no less than 13 different black crappie populations from Florida to Wisconsin.
A man by the name of Boris Gomelsky who does aquaculture research at Kentucky State University decided to find out how the trait was inherited. It was always thought to be a dominant trait, but had not been proven. His research concluded that it was in fact a dominant trait, which means that in nature usually 3/4 will show the trait, and 1/4 will not. It was also found to be on an autosomal chromosome (not a sex chromosome), and therefore is not tied to the fishes gender.
That's it. If anyone is intensely into the subject, send me a PM, and I will e-mail you a copy of the Gomelsky's journal article. Like most scientific papers, especially helpful if you have trouble falling asleep!!
that's funny dr.
they all look the same to me in hot grease. what you think?
The game and fish outta list black nose crappie in the record book
They do Black Crappie, Blacknose is just a color variant not different species.Quote:
Originally Posted by wish4fish
Couple of questions :Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigben7
1. How is it that the black stripe is a "dominant" trait, when the offspring of a Blacknose & a regular Black Crappie will not have a black stripe ?? Sounds more like a recessive gene trait, to me. And if it was a dominant trait, wouldn't most Black Crappie have it (the stripe) :confused: and the non-striped Black Crappie be the "odd" catch :confused:
2. When did this fellow say the Blacknose was discovered ? (what year?) The Florida F&W state that the first "discovery" was in OHIO in 1957 :eek: ( Fish and Wildlife Research Institute )
One other statement about Blacknose, that gets some press, is that the stripe runs down the back from mouth to tail. :rolleyes: Funny thing is, none of the pictures I've seen, nor any of the Blacknose that I've caught have a stripe that goes farther than the beginning of the dorsal fin.
Also, there are still people spreading the idea that this is a hybrid fish :o
Another supposed "myth" is that Blacknose don't fight any harder than a normal Black Crappie ... but, in most all instances of me catching one, I've pretty well known that it was a Blacknose, seconds after hookup :p ... not to mention that they are the only Crappie that I've ever caught that have jumped out of the water. And in fact, one actually jumped completely over the front of the boat I was in (Tracker TX17). There hasn't been any instance, for me, in which a White Crappie or Black Crappie has jumped out of the water ... nor has any of these two (of a comparable size) ever did as dogged a run, once hooked, as the Blacknose I've caught. And that's from 50+ years of fishing experiences !!
First time I ever saw one, was over 30yrs ago ... caught by my fishing buddy, from Watts Bar Lake, in East Tenn. Even back then, it was "called" a Arkansas Blacknose !! :D
... cp :cool:
I also grew up being told they where introduced for reseach,all i know is that we have caught our share of them in millwood and other lakes, but at the end of the day you cant tell the difference when the grease is hot. ,
I have them in my pond, and the only place, caught several of them out of there, I bought my stocking crappie from a fish farm in Arkansas.
Fair enough. I understand that they are just blacks but with all the discussion and research on them nobody knows for sure if they get as large as the others??? Just thought it would be cool since there was a very distinct difference that they could have a different category, then by some miracle I could catch one and be the first one to weigh it with the state that way I could hold a record for a little bit, that is the only way I would ever catch a record lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by NIMROD
I always was told they came from the white river basin...
I've caught them in the oxbows off white,black and out of white,black,spring,strawberry,village creek,lick pond,St.frances,cash river,current.
I do not catch alot of them just one now and then in other words just a few each year.
Without any flood water and low water I expect not to catch many this year,I think they like faster moving clearer water ways.They are the bulldogs when it comes to fighting for there lifes.
Here are a couple of Blacknose crappie from Bull Shoals.
http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/o...100_1957-1.jpg
Dang,those are the biggest I've ever seen.
good info thanks for the info
Those are the biggest I have ever seen. Nice stripes.Quote:
Originally Posted by jiggshooter
I see no reason why they wouldn't get as large as any other Black Crappie in the same waters. There's nothing about them that would cause them not to !!Quote:
Originally Posted by wish4fish
I think I read somewhere that ... if they mate with each other, the black stripe will be presesnt on the offspring -- but, if they mate with a regular Black Crappie, then the stripe won't be present.
At Watts Bar Lake, in East Tn, where I fish for Crappie a couple of trips per year ... I've caught Blacknose that were as big as any of the other Black Crappie I've caught there. And some lakes, like Center Hill Lake (Tenn) ... they've gotten to be the primary Crappie, and get bigger there than many of the surrounding waters that have them.
... cp
Hey CP, thanks for the questions, sorry it took me so long to answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by crappiepappy
1. I don't know if you know anything abuot genetics or not, and I'm no expert, but understand just enough to be dangerous. In response to your first question about dominance v. recessive, I don't believe that a blacknose and a black will not produce some blacknose offspring. In fact, they WILL produce some blacknose offspring.
Boiled down, there are two parts of genetics that play in a case like this where the trait (blacknose, or no blacknose), is controlled by a single gene. There is the phenotype which means what we see (again, either having blacknose, or not having black nose. The other part is genotype, or gene makeup, which is considerably more complicated.
For a single trait like this, imagine that each offspring gets one gene from each of it's parents. Possible genotypes for these crappie could be represented like this: BB or Bb or bB (same as Bb) or bb. Any of the crappie with at least one "B" will be blacknose, and only the "bb" crappie will be normal blacks.
So, mom and dad each have one of these configurations, and each will pass one of these to each offspring. Parents with the makeup of Bb and Bb, can produce young by taking one gene from each parent, with any of the four configurations of BB or Bb or Bb or bb, and will do so in ratios of 25% of each type. So, basically, you would expect two blacknose with the Bb genes to produce 75% blacknose (all of the "BB" and "Bb" fish), and 25% regular black crappie "bb". This is how regular blacks will continue to remain in this type of environment.
I think the problem was the assumption that a black and a blacknose that mate will not produce any blacknose. Instead, I believe that they will definitely produce some blacknose.
For more information on this subject with diagrams that make it easier, check here:
Punnett square - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2. Actually I didn't say, but it was 1973. Again what I said, is that this was when the fish variant was described by scientists. This by no means indicates this was when the fish was discovered. I'm sure people have been catching these as long as folks have been fishing for crappie!
No problem, Ben.
I guess I should have known about the blacknose gene thing ... Magnolia Crappie have a male Blacknose parent & White Crappie female parent, and they come out with a black stripe. I just didn't put two & two together .... LOL !! Can't even remember where I heard that they had to both be Blacknose to produce a Blacknose offspring. I'll try & remember to not continue spreading that myth ... LOL !!
As to the "whens" of first caught or first scientifically described ... no blood, no foul .... LOL !! I just thought it was interesting that it was so long ago, and we're still hearing all these myths & misinformation.
Thanks for clearing things up .... !!
... cp