If you take a piece of line and tie it to a round head jig and pull it over your finger in about 90% or higher of the time it will roll over and hook your finger. Now knowing this why do people still use it if it is that inefficient? :confused:
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If you take a piece of line and tie it to a round head jig and pull it over your finger in about 90% or higher of the time it will roll over and hook your finger. Now knowing this why do people still use it if it is that inefficient? :confused:
Interesting question.
Hold the hook in the palm of your hand tight and jerk the line. If the hook catches your hand keep it, if not throw it away. It will let you know if the hook is efficient or not.
lol...thats all i can say
LOL, I hope everyone knows I was kidding. Don't try it!!Quote:
Originally Posted by PBUG2009
I'm sure he is talking about jigs getting hooked when it's pulled over limbs or stumps while fishing. I would guess he will show us something that is better than a open jig-head to fish with.
Is this a joke and am I missing it??? Ball heads were the first type that ever came out in jigs. Ball head jig mold is the first mold I ever bought back in the early 1960's. I use them all the time and do a every good job in catch crappies. Don't think its the head think its the hook. I went from Aberdeens to Sickles and my hook up rate went up hardly ever miss a fish. How come Pbug, Skip, and a host of others still use this style of head and Sell a bunch of them year after year??
So I wouldn't blame the head just the hook. If this is a joke then its on me. Someone might have too much time on there hands.
Redman
No it is no joke. You can try it for yourself and you do not have to get stuck. I just sold every round head jig mold I had. This lesson is something that every jig fisherman should know. Without boring every one I will tell you a quick story. I had a young man in my shop last week looking at my jigs. He noticed that all my jigs were minnow head and he asked why. I did the little pull over the finger with a round head jig and he saw real quick why he was losing so many jigs. This is not something that I came up on my own I found out about it in the book Luremaking by A.D. Livingston. On page 78 of that book he shows a jig that has it's hook turned down, in other words take a regular RH jig and while holding it in a normal fishing position turn the hook 180 deg. over or down so that when the head is pulled over a branch and rolls it will have the hook in the up position. Back to my original question, why use them?
The moral of the story here seems to be...don't drag a jig over limbs.
it may not stick in your finger as you drag it over, but a fish takes the jig from behind. And closes its mouth arouth around, he doesnt keep his mouth open after taking the jig. Thats just my opinion
I should have stated my question better. I was not talking about it's catching ability buy it's ability to snag more. That is why I am always searching for a snag proof jig, something I am sure does not exist but it gives me something to do. The man that was in my shop had lost over 30 jigs in one afternoon and that is how the conversation came up about what to do to keep from loosing so many jigs.
got to braided line, power pro 10-2. You will get back 9 out of 10 jigs plus you will feel more bites
Jigtosser: This is the third time I have tried to post to the comment. Each time I was not happy with my responce. Hopefull this time I will. First it sound like you have a unhappy customer one that loses way too many jig and is lementing the lose and price of the jigs. I can understand that. But it sounds as if you have become a bit rash in condeming the ball head, Round head call it what you may jig. Realize that a jig is only a tool to be used to catch a fish. I use a lot of ball head jigs. I also have alot of other styles of jigs some very custom that no one has any like them. And yes the custom ones are used around brushtops, falldowns, and cypress roots with very few that get lost.
Remember that jigs are only a tool. Each has it own place for its particular use. I cast a 1/8 oz ball head with a #6 sickel that I use for vertical jigging in deeper water on the edge of the river channel. Do I use this jig in the 4 foot water next to the cypress islands, NO. Nor do I use it in the middle of the river to longline with. It has one use. Vertical jigging Period. If brushtops are all you fish I can understand. But some of us fish other types of water that have rivers and lakes and me I have both. I have to chase crappies some time up to 15 miles. Some times in the river sometimes in the lake and other times in the small feeder creeks. That is why I don't limit myself to one type of jig head. I would also say that you may be missing out on some dock shooting that can and is very exciting and fun.
In summing this up I will ask you to look at your jigs as tools. Expand the art of jig fishing to other types of structure. Don't limit yourself but expand your horizons. But most of all experiment and have fun. The next state or lake record may be 10 feet away.
All the Best
Redman
This thread is going down an avenue I do not want to go down. It may end up offending too many of the people on the forum and that is not my intentions. I merrily asked a simple question and wanted simple answers. I like them, they are easy to mold, I did the test and am changing, they are all that is available to me. But mainly if it was because of tradition. I have been compiling information on tradition and wanted to know if it also was the case in jigs.
Jigtosser ... sounds like you need to start using/pouring some weedless jigheads !!
If you drag ANY jig across your finger slow enough, you're going to stick yourself. But, if you drag a weedless jighead across your finger, you're less likely to do so.
Now ... not all brush branches are as thick as a man's finger ... so what keeps most any style jighead from "turning over" and hanging onto those smaller branches ?? The only thing I know of, is a weedguard. Doesn't matter if it's a Y-guard, fiber brush, wire post, twisted wires, etc .... as long as it extends back past the hook point.
I've been using ball head jigheads (weedless - Y guard & brush styles) for 10yrs ... I cast 95% of the time ... mostly into brush piles, blowdowns, standing trees, and under docks (with crossbeams, cables, & brushpiles underneath or trees hanging off the side) ... I use 4lb test mono ... and I don't lose many jigs, at all.
I don't know this Mr Livingston ... but, with a downturned hook, you're just looking for trouble IMHO. Not only will you be hanging into everything the jig comes across ... even if you don't, & a fish hits it, it's going to be hooked in the bottom of the mouth. That's where most of the thin membrane is located, and you're far more likely to have that fish get off, than if you hooked it in the upper part of the mouth.
... cp
Thank you for the reply. That is the type of answer I am looking for. You gave a different outlook. In the type of fishing is do here an 1/8 oz jig is a giant and the most common is a 1/16 to 1/32. I did the pull teat with a football jig and never did get it to stick me and the reason I do not use it is because they do not make a mold small enough. Mr Livingston wrote the book "Luremaking" and did the research on spinnerbaits in the days when they first started commercially making them. The jig section is full of notes from experiments. In one of the books I did research in uses 3 terms to describe a jig, Gape, Gap and Bite. I do not want to get that going on here as it will start a small war but will be glad to discuss it by PM. I would do a thread on it but after the responses from this one I am afraid disturb too many traditions.
Jigtosser,
Sounds like you have done some research, and I personally am glad that you can stand with that much firmness behind the reason you dont use that type of jig....and maybe that topic could go on and on and on w/ the Pro's and Cons......I dont think you would be disturbing to many traditions....the way I look at it is just like drinkin water, some like tap water, others prefer Wal-mart brand bottled water, and even yet some prefer more pure water........it all in my opinion lies in ones on perception of what works best for them and what does not...That in the grand scheme of it all its what you was raised doin or whats common to your area. Just two cents from a dusty Okie!!
Following in the Master Fishermans steps,
AC
Right on and many thanks. Some times I like to disturb peoples traditions. By getting out of the box we learn and grow. My life evolves around research in all of my endeavors and that is why I have the most unique pocket gun holster on the market, that is what pays for all my toys. I started this thread to challenge peoples reason for using what they use and if they know why. The round head jig has one very distinct advantage that no other jig head has and in that one purpose there is no other design that will work as well. NO I will not tell you, RESEARCH it for yourself.
Well all I am not offended and will not and do not want to pick a fight .But how many time have I written IF IT WORKS FOR YOU USE IT AND IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT. Enough said.
The old Indian
Redman
GCD ???? is that you ????Quote:
Originally Posted by jigtosser
Nope and if you thought I was him it sounds like some one that I would like to meet.
That's pretty dang funny!Quote:
Originally Posted by jusanothajoe
[QUOTE=Redman;1370832 IF IT WORKS FOR YOU USE IT AND IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT. Enough said.
The old Indian
Redman[/QUOTE]
Couldn't agree more.
Baitman, I just spooled tow of my jiffing poles with the 10-2 Power Pro. I have heard that it really works well. We'll see soon I hope.
You are going to lose a few jigs no matter what you do if you're fishing where crappie live. Most really good fishermen can work a jig in pretty tight places without hanging up. You need to learn to feel with your jig and not put too much pressure when you get hung.
When you get hung, snapping the line will sometimes free it. Siding a weight down the line will help get rid of most. Even the best will hang up every now and then but if you're careful you shouldn't lose too many. The crappie you catch from such places will make it worth it.
Ah, jigtosser, you bring up an interesting question. If we stuck to "status quo", no one would be using sickle hooks, plastic bodies, etc. I'm still not sure that a minnow head would avert hangups enough to make everyone throw away all the ball heads, but it makes one think. Thanks for the comment.........good food for thought.
Hey, thank you for the reply. You want to get a good one going go into a bait shop and tell them the sickle hook is the only one to use. Any jig head will hang up. All that post was for was to get people to think and hopefully get people to do research and be able to at least defend what they do and not say, "well that's what I always used, or that is what everyone else uses". Some time down the road I will do a post on the effects of hook size in relationship to snags. I am one of those that loves to break things in order to fix it.
to me it seems like bigger the hook, you will get more snags, because of the bigger hook gap
You are absolutely right. That is why midge fishermen rarely get hung up. Their hooks are a size 32.
I doubt that there has ever been any molds made to build what youre asking. All the jigs I've ever seen have the hooks turned one way. I would think by turning the hook 180 degrees you'd hang WAY MORE on limbs as the jigs pass by though.:o A serious jig fisherman either pours his own jigs or buys in bulk. Fact is....you gonna loose jigs if fishing in/around brush.;):) As already mentioned, there are options such as weedless jigs or stronger line with light wire jig hooks.
Getting hung and loosing jigs was the reason I started pouring lightwire jigheads. Still lose a few BUT get the majority back. Sure works for me and many other fishermen.
lightwirehooker
You both are correct. My molds will take hooks either way but he was using the gold hooks and turning them upside down after they were poured. Mr Livingston stated that he did not really think anyone would fish the upside down hook but wanted people to start thinking about sticking the hook. Do the roll test and make up your own mind. If nothing else it will make good fodder for conversation. And the up side down hook has been tested and works extremely well on certain species of fish.
have you tried your hook test with the circle hook off set just alittle?? They now make them for jigheads. But you have to pour them on your own
No but would love to. Now whoever came up with that was thinking outside the box. I do not have one of those type jigs but wish someone that does have them would do the test and comment on it. Thanks for information.
ithe hooks are in the barlows catalog there a mustad 39994 D circle hook. It has a 60 degree bend instead of a 90. We always take needle nose pliers and off set the circle hooks alittle for cat fishing. I dont see why you couldnt do it with these.
Doesn't have to be circle, a regular jig hook that is kirbed will work too. Additionally having the hook point downward, rather than parallel also helps.
i use power pro 10 pound as well.recently got some 5 pound and spooled up one of my reels and can't wait to test it out once it warms up againQuote:
Originally Posted by baitman
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Originally Posted by bxn
you know they now make it in 4 pound and 3 pound. the 3 pound is VERY VERY thin
Can you give us source for the line. It is not available here.
I get mine from Hammonds Fishing, they are a local store but they would probably ship it to you if needed, basspro and cabelas has it I am pretty sure
Found it at Bass Pro. Quick question, what reel do you use? The 1 pound size only comes in a 100 yard spool, for that matter Bass Pro does not sell the 2 pound in any size but 100 yard spools. You cannot find braid anywhere here because the number on complaint is that it is too hard to tie. I do not use it and know nothing about it but someone needs to do a thread talking about the pros and cons of braid.
I fill half my spool with mono then put on the braid. I prefer pflueger president reels but it really dont matter what reel. you must use the backing on the thin braid or you wont have enough to fill your spool as its such a thin line. If its for getting jigs back when they are stuck go with the 10-2. its plenty strong to bend a hook.