Will lead sinkers, bullets, shot, and jigs be BANNED??

Here's a very bad idea getting traction inside the Beltway.

The "Center for Biological Diversity" (tree huggers) is petitioning the EPA to ban lead bullets and shot (as well as lead sinkers for fishing) under the Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA). Although EPA is barred by statute from controlling ammunition, CBD is seeking to work farther back along the manufacturing chain and have EPA ban the use of lead in bullets and shot because non-lead alternatives are available. (complete article is here)

yea corker this is an attack thru the back door by the anti gunners and tree huggers.NRA is on it so join em,dont mean to get political.

Seems like this has been going on awhile. Lead shot for waterfowl hunting has been banned since Moses wore short pants. Ask AC, he knows.

Also, lead shot for flyfishing in Yellowstone National Park was outlawed.

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Originally Posted by fatslab

dont mean to get political.

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The C.c rules apply to politics, not legislation and rulemaking. In this thread, we're discussing rules that would have a direct negative impact on fishing. If you pour jigs, sinkers, or any other terminal tackle, these rules will shut you down.

start saving nuts & bolts:D don't forgit the old spark plugs too:D:D

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Originally Posted by diecutter

old spark plugs too

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Best sinker there is if you're chicken-necking for crabs!

I'll just start using gold. I believe it's as dense as lead.

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Originally Posted by TapOut64

I'll just start using gold. I believe it's as dense as lead.

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...and with a spot price of $1,240 per oz. of gold, 1/16 oz jigs will cost $77.50 each (plus the cost of the colored hook.) Maybe you could paint the head gray to match the lead ones?

rocks work good. and free no tax. then thay may think twice about it?how many fish u gutted and found a sinker in

If they knew how many I've lost in Lee Lake and Briery Creek, the ban would be retroactive, starting immediately! OH, Lake Conway, Arkansas prolly tops the list.

The odds of lead sinkers being banned nation wide is 100%. It is just a matter of time. Freshwater first, then salt. Did you know lead is not allowed in some lakes in Virginia right now? Go to Rappahanock River Valley National Wildlife Refuge and I think the lake name is Wilna lake. No lead lures or sinkers allowed. It has been that way for years. They even banned minnows!!!!


REFUGE FISHING REGULATIONS

Fishing is permitted at Wilna Pond and the Hutchinson tract pier.

Open daily, sunrise to sunset. PLEASE NOTE: Seasonal restrictions may be in place at Wilna Pond to protect nesting birds. Consult Refuge Manager for details.

During the period when the Wilna and Hutchinson tracts are open for muzzleloading and shotgun deer hunting, we will be closed to all other uses, including sport fishing.

Wilna Pond and the Hutchinson pier will be closed to the public during scheduled environmental education field trips. Anglers can verify availability by calling (804) 333-1470.

All anglers age 16 and older must possess a valid Virginia state freshwater fishing license.

We prohibit fishing by any means other than by use of one or more attended poles with hook and line attached.

We prohibit the use of lead fishing tackle in Wilna Pond.

We require catch and release fishing only for largemouth bass. Other finfish species may be taken in accordance with State regulations.

We prohibit the take of any reptile, amphibian, or invertebrate species for use as bait or for any other purpose.

We prohibit the use of live minnows as bait.

We prohibit use of boats propelled by gasoline motors, sail, or mechanically operated paddle wheel in Wilna Pond. We permit hand launching only; we do not permit backing trailers to launch. PLEASE NOTE: All Virginia boating laws apply when fishing on the refuge!

We permit bank fishing on the earthen dam, but we prohibit fishing from the aluminum catwalk at Wilna Pond. Fishing is only permitted from the pier at the Hutchinson tract.

Please help us keep the our fishing areas unspoiled by being responsible - carry out what you carry in!

We have met the enemy and he is us! (Pogo)

Once again, Pogo's sage advice applies. Acting on our behalf as hunters, NRA stampeded EPA bureaucrats in a quick retreat (Friday) from banning lead ammo--BUT THAT LEAVES THE PROPOSAL TO BAN LEAD FISHING TACKLE. Fishermen are now fully exposed - with no powerful allies.

Citing the agency's unwillingness to take on the Second Amendment, an EPA spokesman announced:

As there are no similar jurisdictional issues relating to the agency's authority over fishing sinkers, EPA – as required by law – will continue formally reviewing a second part the petition related to lead fishing sinkers.

Those wishing to comment specifically on the fishing tackle issue can do so by visiting Regulations.gov. EPA will consider comments that are submitted by September 15.

We have two weeks to make the case that our uses of lead have little, if any, impact on the environment.

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Originally Posted by Corker

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We have two weeks to make the case that our uses of lead have little, if any, impact on the environment.

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I'm not so sure that statement is true:confused:

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Originally Posted by Hog Choker

I'm not so sure that statement is true:confused:

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Then what case do we make? I have 8 sinker & jig molds. Want to buy them and thousands of jig hooks cheap? Part of the sport of fishing is creating tackle & that activity will be severely affected by a ban on lead components.

I hope they dont ban lead either but until they ban lead wheel weigths i have enough lead for a million jigs. Let me know if anyone needs some.:)

I'm surprised it hasnt happened already. When I was a kid, Suffolk used to have a hunting and fishing day @ Sleepy Hole Park. Anything from coon dogs treeing a caged coon, to flippin and pitching in a 5 gallon bucket to skeet shooting over the Nansemond River. The skeet shoot got shut down because of the the lead in the #7 shot. I'm not a duck hunter but right about that time I'm pretty sure all of their loads went to steel. This was 20+ years ago.

Does this mean that all the lead I gave you yesterday will not be used to make me some salt water sinkers? I hope not but if so ah well.

This thread began on the VA OT forum and was moved here after Slab created this new discussion forum.

I know this has been brought up many times in the past but always seems to die. But who knows? Maybe this is a good time for me to sell all my jig making materials. I've been considering it anyway.

EPA has no jurisdiction and wont be banning anything related to guns or fishing.

FOXNews.com - EPA Rejects Calls to Ban Lead in Ammo

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Originally Posted by Hanr3

EPA has no jurisdiction and wont be banning anything related to guns or fishing.

FOXNews.com - EPA Rejects Calls to Ban Lead in Ammo

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Oh how I wish that report was accurate--but it isn't. Here's the part of EPA's announcement the FOX reporter omitted.

“EPA today denied a petition submitted by several outside groups for the agency to implement a ban on the production and distribution of lead hunting ammunition. EPA reached this decision because the agency does not have the legal authority to regulate this type of product under the Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA) – nor is the agency seeking such authority.
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“As there are no similar jurisdictional issues relating to the agency's authority over fishing sinkers, EPA – as required by law – will continue formally reviewing a second part the petition related to lead fishing sinkers.

“Those wishing to comment specifically on the fishing tackle issue can do so by visiting Regulations.gov. EPA will consider comments that are submitted by September 15.”

The Second Amendment (forcefully asserted by NRA) protects our right to bear arms--including ammo. It does not create or protect a right to fish. As fishermen, we are about to lose our right to use lead jigs, split shot, sinkers, and any other tackle item containing lead. Unless we can convince EPA that the environmental danger posed by lead fishing tackle is far outweighed by the benefits of using lead, we will no longer be able to pour or use lead tackle items.

If EPA decides to drop this matter entirely, it will issue a News Release.

Corker,

I am willing and want to make a comment to the EPA regarding this subject, however when I go to the link you provided I can't figure out exactly how to do it. I can find the reg. but not how to comment. Any help would be appreciated.

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Originally Posted by SLAB MASTER

Corker,

I am willing and want to make a comment to the EPA regarding this subject, however when I go to the link you provided I can't figure out exactly how to do it. I can find the reg. but not how to comment. Any help would be appreciated.

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I think I understand how to do it, but let me check out the various links & options to be sure we do it right. The key that unlocks the site for comment on a specific matter is the docket number: EPA-HQ-OPPT-2010-0681

If you figure out the procedure for commenting, feel free to draw from the points we are developing in the "Where we stand..." thread.

Looking at the petition more carefully, it seems that this was almost exclusively an attempt to regulate ammo and that fishing tackle was only thrown in for good measure. The entire case for banning lead in tackle is based on speculation and assumptions. From the petition: "Accurate quantitative information on how much lead is entering the environment from lead fishing weights and tackle sinkers is not available, but approximations can be made from the quantities of lead fishing tackle sold in the U.S., assuming most or many sinkers are purchased to replace those lost while fishing (Scheuhammer et al 2003), and from studies of sinker and tackle loss by anglers."

If you go to the American Sportfishing Association's website (Keep America Fishing), there is a petition where you can make comments to the EPA about the proposal. I think they've dropped the hunting portion of the proposal and it's just about fishing now.

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Originally Posted by c.a.mag

If you go to the American Sportfishing Association's website (Keep America Fishing), there is a petition where you can make comments to the EPA about the proposal. I think they've dropped the hunting portion of the proposal and it's just about fishing now.

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More is more. Comment early...and often!

I just finished commenting on this issue using the link supplied by c.a.mag. It seemed to work OK.

EVERYONE NEEDS TO PARTICIPATE!!!!

Corker,

sent you a PM.

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Originally Posted by c.a.mag

If you go to the American Sportfishing Association's website (Keep America Fishing), there is a petition where you can make comments to the EPA about the proposal. I think they've dropped the hunting portion of the proposal and it's just about fishing now.

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Just finished sending comments thru the link you provided C A, thanks for posting it

I know this, I am preparing for it to happen now because it will happen. I am going to be ready for it to happen because I want to fish and hunt without missing a beat. We can delay it until they have their evidence and proof.

They will go after banning it for fishing until it happens, then they will get it banned in ammunition. Once there is proof that lead could be poisoning our children from breaking down in water it will happen.

I agree with this fight because the attempted bans right now are being pushed by activist groups that have no evidence to support their claims and want to get fishing and hunting banned, not just lead. I will fight them by getting metal companies, fishing tackle companies and whomever else will listen to develope effective and inexpensive alternatives.

I will fight to make sure there is never a ban to my right to bear arms in my lifetime but there will eventualy be a bullet in my guns and rifles I hunt with that isn't lead. I will fight just as hard to make sure that I will and my kids children will have the right to fish even if they have to use crappietonium to do it.

Fight the fight to keep lead from being banned as long as we can but it is going to happen and it won't be 20 years before it does. I want to be able to fish and hunt long after it happens and be able to afford it, do you? We need to also fight to get research done into an alternative that is not 10x as expensive and twice the size of lead.

Lead is poisonous, period, if it is getting into our water ways and poisoning them then it needs to banned. Let's make sure they have PROOF and rock soilid EVIDENCE before it is done and it is not just an attmept by some facist redical group to use the ban as a step to make all hunting and fishing illegal.

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Originally Posted by fish_4_all

Once there is proof that lead could be poisoning our children from breaking down in water it will happen.

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The tree huggers don't seem to care about children, only birds. And, they're only concerned about birds that eat lead fishing tackle. As you suggest, there's no scientific evidence that current fishing practices are poisoning anything. Until there is, the (known) costs of a lead ban clearly outweigh the (unknown) benefits.

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Originally Posted by c.a.mag

If you go to the American Sportfishing Association's website (Keep America Fishing), there is a petition where you can make comments to the EPA about the proposal. I think they've dropped the hunting portion of the proposal and it's just about fishing now.

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My e-mails have been sent.

I have sent my concerns and comments to the EPA, my representatives and senators both state and federal, the Governor. I think i need to do it again though because that was about 10 months ago. Have to find my old emails to see who all I sent it to and who replied. Anyone wants lists from Washington of who replied?

Unfortunately the EPA doesn't have a direct subject reply.

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Originally Posted by fish_4_all

I have sent my concerns and comments to the EPA, my representatives and senators both state and federal, the Governor. I think i need to do it again though because that was about 10 months ago. Have to find my old emails to see who all I sent it to and who replied. Anyone wants lists from Washington of who replied?

Unfortunately the EPA doesn't have a direct subject reply.

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We've heard of a few other web sites with automated comment forms, but FEMA's main channel for docket-specific comments is the federal site Regulations.gov. Enter Docket ID# EPA-HQ-OPPT-2010-0681.

done.

I finaly fingered it out, mine sent.