Well... since the pulling cranks topic taught me all about pulling... how about a topic for long lining.... how do you long line? How do you control depth? What size and type jig?
Doubleg
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Well... since the pulling cranks topic taught me all about pulling... how about a topic for long lining.... how do you long line? How do you control depth? What size and type jig?
Doubleg
if u do a search theirs some good info on the alabama board i believe
Very few people do it here. Lots of longliners in Alabama, Ga., Tx.,... I've never tried it.
I have never tried it either, but I have heard of it really working on Washington and Chotard in the fall and winter
Good subject but the wrong state for it.
All I can say is I've NEVER caught so many fish! A 20 or 30 fish morning is now a SLOW fishing trip.;):)Quote:
Originally Posted by tritonman
Well spill the beans then!! Tell us all the how's, why's, and what for's.
Use the search function on this site....type in Longlining....then start reading. From everything that I have read it is supposed to be one of the most productive methods of crappie fishing. Capps and Coleman really seem to like it.
Here is one of many threads on the MS Crappie board about longlining.... http://www.crappie.com/crappie/missi...ng-lining.html
WAY too much to try and cover with one thread, but I pull 10 lines with either single or double jigs per line. When two people fishes in a boat it's not uncommon to see 16+ lines out of one boat. I can pull in water 2' deep to 30' deep depending on where the fish are at and adjust the amount of line off the reels to adjust for depth. You also adjust with weight of jigs and/or speed. I pull over mostly clean bottoms and mark every brushpile I come across so I can AVOID them the next time. You'll loose some jigs but if I'm not mistaken you'll also loose some by pushing (I pushed until I started longlining;)). I-pilots work best since they have cruise control but co-pilots will also get the job done. Heck, hand controlled tm's will work too. Most longliners run a constant speed of .8-1.2 mph (depends on what speed they fish like the best that day) so something with gps is mandatorhy. Some have it built into their graps, some have portables, and the I-pilot has it built into with a read out in the remote control. It's not unusaul to have 6 or more fish on at one time or catch two fish at a time on one line when pulling doubles. Using that many baits at once you also get to mix up the colors to find what the fish want too.
Well, I've scratched the surface. As already mentioned, do a search on longlining. If youve never done it I recommend it. Especially if putting ALOT of fish in the boat is your objective.;):)
I got set up and began longlining in late Feburary and usually go once or twice per week. I've fishd all summer and theyre still biting the curly tail jigs.;) From daylight until the sun gets hot is about all I fish during these hot summer months...about 3 hours of fishing.Quote:
Originally Posted by tritonman
Thanks for the info.... I will do some more searching and reading. Right now I have four bass rigs to use. If you were to run four poles and put double jigs on them... what size jigs would you use? (1/16, 1/32)... I want them to run about 10 to 12 feet deep. Do you have an estimate on how much line I should put out? I figure a good starting speed would be around 1 mph... Would you use a curly tail jig, straight tail, or some sort of roadrunner?
Thanks for all the help...
DoubleG
Here's what I've done both times I've tried it....Once at Enid, once on Grenada (in relatively clear water for Grenada). Double rigged 1/8 ounce road runners and tipped with minnows. Ran anywhere from 50 to 85 feet back at about .8 to 1.0 mph. Figure I was running about 12' best I could tell. Ran 6 poles off the back both times. Grenada was an unmitigated failure, but Enid was very productive. That was the first trip and I was convinced I was in a good area and wasted a bunch of time with very little to show for it. Made a move and popped 'em pretty good then.
I haven't given up on it yet, but good googly moo-goo I missed a ton of fish doing it both times. The rod would load up heavy and before I could clear the holder the fish was gone. You need to be quick on the draw. Also went through 2.5 tons of minnows. Enid I used an actual count of about 16 dozen. Grenada a good 12 dozen and only had about 7 or 8 when I finished.
I'd guess I missed 3 for every 1 I landed.
Seems to me it'd be much more effective on the clearer lakes like Sardis and Enid.
Wannabe...
There are basically 3 things to think about when longlining the way I see it....speed, line length, and jig weight. With that in mind the easiest way to learn is to keep two of these pretty constant and vary the other...for example, .9mph is a pretty good all around speed so go with that as your speed, put the same weight on all your poles and vary the amount of line you have out to determine your depth of presentation. To check this you can "play" on a flat somewhere and see when the jigs start bouncing...count the number of cranks it takes to get that bait back to the boat and make a mental note....
I personally like to fish between 30-40 cranks and vary the amount of weight I put on the line (same reels help b/c of different spool ratios..consistency)....I fish the shallower (lighter) jigs on my longer rods and get heavier and usually shorter on my short rods (helps with tangles sometimes).
On a side note...not all 1/16th oz jigs weigh the same....I've fished some 16ths that were as heavy as some 1/8ths and some 1/48th that were as heavy as 1/32nds...consistency is crucial......course I'm still learning every time I go fishing so I'm no expert by any means.
I have tried the double jigs, for me it's to much trouble. I like to run a single jig of 1/32, 1/16 or 1/8. I have not longlined with more than 40' of line out with most times 30' working the best and have fished with as little as 10' of line out.
Like already said, you have got to spend the time on some flats and take notes on the depth your jigs are running. Different heads will run at different depths and different body's will run at different depths too. Lots of good fishing longlining but you can only learn the basic set up reading about it. You have to put in the time on the water to really lean how it's done or what works for you. Good luck, it a lot like pulling cranks, you going to love it or hate it!!
I keep seeing twister tails mentioned most often, how about hair jigs? Any pixs of some ties jigs that look twister tails in the water? I'll get Scott to tie us some.
Steve, I have not tried pulling tied jigs while longlining but will try em after the cranks stop working. If I find something that works I'll let you know. I have tied some to match the best colors jigs I have so some testing will be coming soon. Finding the right action will be the ticket.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveJ
Thanks for all the help fellas... I need to get out there and give it a try! This has been very helpful. I found a couple other files that might help others if they have not read them.
http://www.crappie.com/crappie/main-...ng-summer.html
http://www.magnoliacrappieclub.com/LongLining.pdf
If I get on the water this week I will give it a try and let you know what happens. I have been trying the 300 bandits over the last month and haven't had much luck. Time to try something new.
DoubleG
didn't get a bite one time and picked up 10 or 12 another this past Winter at the welfare hole
I think Skip longlines hand tied jigs.Quote:
Originally Posted by STUMP HUNTER
Thanks again for all the help. I am going to give it a try. Might try it out this weekend if the wind will allow me too. We will see what happens....
DoubleG
I asked for some advice on what jigs to pull on the jig tying board so maybe we will get some help on what hand tied jigs works for longlining. Hair, feather or zonker. The thread is "Question" :D easy enough.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by G3 Fisherman
SH....Skip says he longlines with one pole and holds it in his hand. He talks like he catches more fishing this way than any other. I talked with him by PM at great length about it and he really likes long lining.
One of the best jigs to long line with is bobby garland stroll'r. I believe u need something that gives off vibration in the water.
AUTiger summed it up pretty well as well as GaBowman & StumpHunter. As for the "hair" jigs for trolling, YES they work as well as the curly tails. Check out the selection of Jiffy Jigs on their website. Color assortment just like you will find on curly tails, tripple ripples, and straight tails. You can tip with a minnow or crappie nibble better on a "hair" jig. I use them more when slow trolling and will double rig in a heartbeat. When fishing two persons in the boat, the one in front is usually using heavier jig heads and/or double rigs covering the deeper water and the person in the back of the boat will be running singles or lighter heads and working the upper water level. This way the boat is covering more water with a large assortment of colors until you key in on what they want to do that day. Using different rod lengths in the front will help for sure avoid some tangles while covering a wider area of water too.
Snake River has took over making the Jiffy jigs. Here is a link to his thread about them.
http://www.crappie.com/crappie/diy-s...ro-spoons.html
Thanks for the link SH.
I got some Bobby Garland stroll'r in mo glo and regular... Got some mo glo heads... and also got some road runner heads and curly tailed jigs... I am ready to give it a try!
DoubleG
He took over Microspoons line of plastic/hair jigs that Keith was making that was called Old Reliable or something like that. It is not Jiffy Jigs. Jiffy Jigs is a different company and is out of Vidalia, GA. Here is their link Jiffy Jigs: Jiffy Jigs, Catch Your Limit In Jiffy with Jiffy Jigs, Curly Tails, Jig Heads, Crappie Snacks, Super Grubs, Jigs are our business. .Quote:
Originally Posted by STUMP HUNTER
gabowman must be from s.c. or ga. Dang good long liners in these states. pretty good in fall when h2o temps fall below 75 down to 60 degrees. However, the absolute best times in the carolinas, ga, and alabama is when the late winter water temps start rising out of the 40's and into the 50's on through the mid 70's at max. Best way to learn is to get out and pull em. Speed is critical, so in your off time in the summer, tie on some 1/16 jigs, find a couple of flats and slow down til you start bumping bottom(be sure yo use at least 3 rods with similar casts to get consistancy) then speed up til they stop. Write down the speed and head weights. The go to a shallower or deeper flat and repeat. A c average in the 9th grade will give you enough mathamatical sence to find the in betweens.
After that, do the 1/32nd and so on. lotta work to be good at it!!! A friend bought a jig assortment from Slabmaster Baits
and they gave him a 1/16 speed chart.
Thanks for the help man.. I need to put more time on the water long lining to develop me a chart for depths. Right now I am too busy pulling cranks. I tried long lining for a couple hours last week with no success but at least I got a feel for it. I will try it again once it gets cooler.
DoubleG