If the color red starts disappearing in around 3 ft of water, then why do we put it in our jigs??? another thing to make you go hmmmmmm
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If the color red starts disappearing in around 3 ft of water, then why do we put it in our jigs??? another thing to make you go hmmmmmm
The way I see it,say a suspended shad is just sitting there calm,it's fins are moving and it's gills are moving,so something that moves in the water with the current and shows a flash of red might just be the ticket.
but if that flash is deeper than 3 ft do they see it? its 1 of those if a tree falls in the woods question lol....I know thats how the cajun red line operates, thats there theroy i guess
Pbug : If red disappers in 3 feet of water how come that the hook makers want to sell us RED HOOKS. And we seem more that eager to buy them??????? And I have had days that a Red and White jig was just about all the Crappies were interested in down at 8 to 12 feet!!! I have read that fish are color blind if so I bet they can pick up different shades of gray that color would give off.
Always something to Ponder.
Redman
I think that they called the red hooks,blood hooks to catch us fishermen.I've been told that the real reason for the red hooks was that they pretty much became invisable in the water to fish.But,blood hooks sounds better then "invisable hooks" for selling them.
just one of those hmmmmmmmmm things
If a man says something wrong and there is no woman around ? Would he still be wrong ?
Behind every successful man stands one extremely shocked mother-in-law.
lol
Ask some bass fishers their favorite color for after dark..... I bet you would get alot of "black" as an answer. If I don't use a top-water, I like a 1/2oz black jig with a 7" black ribbon worm trailer, dark and large for more disturbance. Fish don't have to see to eat. Pulled this quick from wiki -
Lateral Line - The lateral-line system helps the fish to avoid collisions, to orient itself in relation to water currents, and to locate prey. For instance, the blind, cave-living Mexican tetra have rows of neuromasts on their heads, which appear to be used to precisely locate food without the use of sight; killifish are able to use their lateral line organ to sense the ripples made by insects struggling on the water's surface. Experiments with pollock have shown that the lateral line is also a key enabler for schooling behavior.
I don't think that anybody can say what a fish sees myself.I have used a lot of white crankbaits with a red head and killed them.The same day used an all white crankbait and hardly could get a bite.I don't know.These are stupid largemouths that I was talking about,lol.
Since we really don't know what crappie see how can we know it disappears for them? Also it may just change to a color they see as gills, or blood saying I am injured.
I posted a link to explain the eyes of some fish like a crappie and we have things called cones and something else in our eyes, but they have more of them. Otherwise how would bass find a black worm being slowly pulled along the bottom at night?
Since we don't really know what they see how can we discount something just because it's the way we see it?
Ah love a good question with lots of ways to look at it.
Skip
Hays,off the subject a little,my grandmother always had a pot holder hanging on her wall,it said:
Behind every sucessfull man,stands a woman telling him that he is wrong.
You just brought that to my head after about 30 years,lol.
There must be something to the red hooks because many top bass and crappie tournament anglers use them,in particular on crankbaits.Red may start disappearing for us at 3 feet,but I believe fish see things different than we do. I carry all colors of hooks in my tackle box,sometimes it seems they prefer one over another.Maybe it's as simple as what color you have the most confidence in.
i knew this would bring alot of answers
Red line is sold as a gimmick of disappearing after so many feet, when in fact it does not disappear, it only doesn't show up as red, it shows up as gray/black. It's translucent. Solid colors are not, so you still see red, up to some point until a certain amount of light stops penetrating the water where eventually no colors will show as what they are to our eyes.
Hope that helps.
It's amazing what colors look like in dieffernt environs. Think back to when the Color-C-Lector came out and everyone thought it was a crock of ****, but look back and how many people started catching more fish when they started following what that little machine told them to use.
Fatman
thats true i seen babe winkleman use 1 other day on his older show
This is a link to a crappie.com article about this subject, if you haven't taken a look at it yet...Crappie.com - Crappie Fishing Information and Adventure - The Red Hook Guy
If this link doesn't work, it's on the second page of the articles, labeled The Red Hook Guy.
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Originally Posted by hays47
Crappie
I read this a while back. Whether it's 100% accurate or not who knows. I do know I've gone to strictly using solid white marabous and need more fingers to count how many limits it's produced since October 2009.
Waxn-Quote:
Originally Posted by waxnslabs
Good stuff....had to print that out and save as a lot to wrap my small memory around.
Crappie my fish of choice now but when was bass fishing long ago remember
red/white bass oreno and lucky 13s were hot, another I liked was the coachdog.
Well, beings how we've had all this rain in GA and all the lakes look like a mud puddle, I don't think the fish can see anything, I think they just accidentally bump into our hooks and get caught...lol, j/k of course. I've been a die hard believer in red hooks for ol' bucket lips for years. Maybe that's just because it's all I've used or it's just a confidence builder. I've read several times though that crappie are among the most "color-selective" fish there are, how true that is I don't know, but I've seen it with my own eyes, as well as others who troll, that some colors just out perform others.
How does anybody KNOW a fish doesnt see red?!? Did a fish ever tell anyboedy that?:confused::D If in-fact they cannot see the color red then jigs with that color sells due to the fact the fishermen CAN see red!;):p
skip told me before, jig tyers catch the fishermen not the fish...its all what you have faith in..
in nature, red in a sign of weakness... its been said
Following up on PBUG's answer above. Colors help for different conditions, but if you don't have confidence in that color (what ever it is) you probably are not going to do well fishing it. If you believe it will work then it will.
I don't listed to all the red and can't see stuff at all, but I don't think you want a jig or any lure to be all red, but I guess fishing a top water maybe then an all red bait would be good, but I bet it would be better if it's more some other color and a little red. I do think it can help.
I have started playing with including a red strip of floss in some jigs to see how that may help. I know it's use in a lot of hair jigs so don't see why that would work in a feather tail too. I also have some red flash that I can put in tails.
Skip
im tying some red combos also going to see how the trout like it also
I'm not sure this is true??? When my wifes face turns red there is no weakness at all in those eyes :eek::eek::D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Nightprowler64
And we were fishing one night and a tree fell, and yes it made a noise without us being in the woods!!! :):)
Scientists know what colors fish see due to the cones and rods in their eyes. Red line is not disappearing, it's simply not visible as red (instead blue/black) due to the amount of light penetrating the water. It will happen with all colors at one depth or another.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabowman
That's IT!!!!!!! What can we use as translucent hooks?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothlures
Better yet, make a glass jig head and tie it with imagination and see if you can get bites. That will check the lateral line theory.
There is no doubt that fish rely on much more than eyesite. At the same time, each fish species varies. Sometimes fish are just feeding. You can throw anything and you'll catch fish. Like going to the grocery store when you're hungry! Other times they are just looking at dessert thinking, should I, or shouldn't I? This is the time when color, and, or presentation comes into play the most.
Last time I checked, a color is color. If it's red, they know what red does (or doesn't) look like. Who cares how they percieve it, as long as they accept it. Who was the genius that thought chartreuse would be good? I've not been everywhere, for sure, but I've yet to see anything that resembled a 2" curly tail in that flavor. Yet, a lot of fish seem to find it pretty appealing. Could be because they always seem attached to wood and can't get them in thier mouth. Maybe an anger strike. :D
translucent hooks who sells those? lol jk 1 little caused all this trouble lol