Check this thread out. This fishton guy is doing some serious work with the HDS and downscan. I think you'll agree that it's pretty awesome, if not let me know.
Lowrance DownScan - A Gimmick?: Lowrance/Garmin Sonar/GPS: BBC Boards
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Check this thread out. This fishton guy is doing some serious work with the HDS and downscan. I think you'll agree that it's pretty awesome, if not let me know.
Lowrance DownScan - A Gimmick?: Lowrance/Garmin Sonar/GPS: BBC Boards
The only thing keeping me away is the price. I'm boat poor now.:o
The information provided by fishton is was persuaded me to pull the trigger on a HDS7 over the 997 HB.
I don't trust folks with writing on the side of their boat. They always pimping something.
A few of us are gonna do some testing this coming March. May the best unit win. It will be a fair test. Equal opportunity for all. Or is it justice for all?
Don't guess I will ever get a sponsor. I ain't too good at hawking nor do I have a favorite ice cream.
He's not sponsored as far as I know CP. He has HB on one side of the boat, and Lowrance on the other. Not sure why?
he seems to lean more to lowrance side to make them look good to me.i have seen alot better h/b shts then what he has posted ,but that is just my beleive who knows
He is mostly harping on the 86 degree angle down image. If my math is right, with a 30 foot depth, you're missing 9 ft of image on each side at the bottom.
The 2d on the HB should cover this but then you don't get the crisp image that the Lowrance is providing.
At least that's what I got out of the discussion.
I appears from that thread Low has the better down image, but I don't hear anything on comparisons of side imaging.
I want to see both of these units in action before I purchase.
I try not to get involved in the tit-for-tat that often accompanies these sorts of comparisons. Much like Ford vs. Chevy, Country vs. Rock, Blond vs. Brunette....people have preferences and find reasons to not like the others.
Are there technological differences? Yep.
Do those technological differences mean that because of them, you'll catch more or fewer fish?
I believe the answer to that question is, no. And catching fish....that's the bottom line, right?
Frankly, I don't see any of the image issues that this particular person does. I collect wonderfully clear images, both Side and Down Images, with my Humminbird Fishing Systems. As every owner knows, it's all about transducer placement, and I don't know how a person can have two different transducers in the boat's "sweet spot" such that they both produce the best possible images. I certainly don't see any so-called "dead spots" that have to be filled in with low-resolution 200 kHz data.
But the debate....that's certainly entertaining!
Keep posting the pics Jason......I enjoy seeing them....
I had faulty math.:eek: Anyone able to tell me how to edit my above post?:confused:
Correction:
in 30 foot of water, you're theoretically missing 2.1 foot on each side or 4.2 foot directly on bottom.
tan degree = opposite/adjancent
tan 4= x/30
x = 30* tan 4
x = 2.09 foot.
courtesy of high school trig.:)
Jason, I agree that neither one will catch the fish for you, and Rock is better then Country by the way. I would say that 80% of my electronics posts have been pro HB, and that's based on the fact that for the last 5 years it's all I've owned.
But if you take a lowrance down image and put it next to yours, the lowrance is going to be crisp and clean and to me have a "Clearer" and more defined image of what's under the transducer. He's getting better shots on the lowrance in 40-70FT of water then you are able to produce with 20ft of water.
That's my opinion, which is based on looking at a lot of pictures that users have produced. I don't use the stock images from the companies websites. HB usually has picutures on theirs that a user will never be able to reproduce, however the user pics I've seen from lowrance users have been better than the stock images from lowrance.
The bottom line for me is, If I'm going to make this kind of investment, I'm going to go with the setup that gives me the best possible performance. From all that data I've seen, it's pretty clear who that is.
Just pulled this off of BBC to show some that probably don't want to go to BBC. This guys has spent a lot of time doing this. At low speeds it shouldn't matter where the Transducer is, one unit shouldn't totally out perform the other. IMO.
Quoted from FISHTON, who has been doing comparisons. "After several visits to the dam, and many hours of trying every possible setting to get Humminbird's Down Imaging to work directly beneath the boat - This is the best I have been able to achieve.
The transducers (HB SI and LSS-1) are little more than an inch apart and the screenshots were taking simultaneously, so there can be no discrepancy as to position, bearing or speed."
I am not doubting this fellers word, but if the 2 units transducers are mounted in close proximity of each other, then there would be interference between the 2 units, especiallly if they were transmitting/receiving the same frequency, which would be required to provide true testimony.
This type test would by no means simulate the "real world" conditions as most people would not have 2 units running as configured.
Simultaneous operation of the units would not be a ideal test in my opinion. But, I am a has been engineer ya know.:eek:
I am not trying to pick either unit as "the cock of the walk".
I am just gonna see for myself in March with a few other fellers help.
I would agree canepole, but I've been following this closely, and there have been so many excuses, some will say he didn't follow the same route, etc. etc. etc. I've seen his shots with only one unit turned on VS. 2, and he's taken lot of static for his methods, so I get why he did it this way this time.
I'm looking forward to the data that you provide after your testing. Should make for interesting reading. Hopefully on CC you won't get totally scrutinized by die hards from either side. :)
I am way, way below the skill level that I see posted from time to time..I don't even own a SI-DI unit but am looking to buy one..Jason, Greg & Joby are more than helpful with HB units and we have had very little help from Lowrance.. All of this being said, I have to agree with you that, from what I have seen posted, the Lowrance has a much better image...The question I ask myself is why would I buy a unit that, by image, is of less quality...Quote:
Originally Posted by mduncan62
I think I will keep watching the board and show up at Tom's for the independent testing in March..
You think I give a chit?:pQuote:
Originally Posted by mduncan62
That's just not right CP. A man has to take a stand. Peanut butter and chocolate from baskin robbins here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cane Pole
If HB had the better picture somebody could say that he was leaning towards them. But I do agree with your statement basically because he is proving that Lowrance is providing a "noticeably" higher quality solution (downscan). Does that make it a better buy for each and every individual? Not really... both brands provide much for the fisherman.Quote:
Originally Posted by dedawg1149
As time goes there will ultimately be more and more comparisons between the 2 brands. Very anxious to hear what CP comes up with. Like he says....no dog in the fight.
I know you don't. But that's what makes a lot of what you say interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cane Pole
i beleive if you got doug or jason to do the test it would look totally different you have to know your unit to get the max benifits out of it and even if lowrance comes out ahead how long do you think hummingbird is going to stay behind,that is why it is called competition and that is why they are patents just wait and see what hummingbird brings out next
I can make any snapshot look good with Gimp photoshop. I trust myself being capable of using either unit especially in a controlled environment.
It is ok to favor a product. But, just because you like something, well, it just don't automatically make it best.
I think CP secretly looses sleep worrying about whether or not we believe he really does give a chit.
Either that or he really doesn't give a chit.
One of the two.
Truth be told, he really does though and I can prove it. Greg, Joby, is it not true that CP has given you plenty of chit over the last 2 to 3 years?
I rest my case.
Wannabe...
You hit the nail on the head. He really does give chit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wannabe...
The VIDEO link is a underwater camera, not a Lowrance down scan. Just all BS!!!
I hope nobody thought the that the green images were from a Lowrance or HB. Bama, he used the camera to identify what the 2 dots were on the DI shot. Pretty cool if you ask me.
That is exactly right. And if you did think that the video was the structure scan then you got alot of reading to do...lol:):)Quote:
Originally Posted by mduncan62