Suggestions for mounting new ff.

Just got my new HB 788ci combo dual beam with GPS. Also got the 2010 Nav premium lake card. I'm not sure where to mount the head or the ducer. Some of you know I fish out of a 16' Tracker Pro. I fish from the front seat now but will be at the console for trolling. Even if spider-rigging from the front, I still will have to get to where I will be fishing. Now considering mounting ducer to the transom and the head on the console with a svivel mount. Will be adding a 998 or 1197 with interlink in the future but not for a few months . Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

majflyboy when I had humminbird I just put two mounts on one up front one on the console, and just popped the unit out of mount and moved forward, they are pretty east of move and that was on a tracker 17.5

Maj, like bm said go ahead and get 2 transducers and 2 mounts. This will Allow you to use in both places. BP ought to have power wire and ducer in store. If they have it buy a power wire for the 998 so when you do get it you won't have to run another one.

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Originally Posted by Minnerman

Maj, like bm said go ahead and get 2 transducers and 2 mounts. This will Allow you to use in both places. BP ought to have power wire and ducer in store. If they have it buy a power wire for the 998 so when you do get it you won't have to run another one.

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MM I like what you and BM said. I'll get the extra ducers and mounts. I don't understand about the power wire for the 998. Can you explain so a dummy can understand? Thanks.

Maj , the power supply wires for a 788 and a 998 are not the same. What he is tryin to tell ya is go ahead and run both now to save a little time later.

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Originally Posted by satdoc1

Maj , the power supply wires for a 788 and a 998 are not the same. What he is tryin to tell ya is go ahead and run both now to save a little time later.

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Roger that Sat. Thanks.

Maj you not having to take out a loan yet...I guess we know Wannabe sho ain't your banker. Congrats on the new FF, you will have fun playing with it!

No need for loans yet t-man. Don't forget, I still work two jobs for this stuff. ;) That's why I have so few days to fish.:eek: Almost doesn't make any sense does it??:confused:

Assuming you've got good eyes, I'd mount it upfront and set the zoom properly on the gps and use it for general navigation while underway. On rb, you don't really need 1 Mia for navigation anyway, but turning for ff and nav while on the tm is confusing and tiresome. This will get you by for a few months.

Wannabe...

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Originally Posted by satdoc1

Maj , the power supply wires for a 788 and a 998 are not the same. What he is tryin to tell ya is go ahead and run both now to save a little time later.

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Thanks sat fer splaining that. Guess I should have been a little more clearer on that.

Maj the way mine is set up I pulled my wires and it's just as easy to pull 2 at a time as it is to pull one and then 6 months down the rOad have to do it again. You may not have to worry bout this according to where and what your power supply is. I went straight to my battery with an online fuse. Some go to the fuse block under the console but I didn't. Just a thought. Like wb said I would not mount at the console to leave. My brother has that set up an it is aggrevating.

What minner is trying to say is:

wannabe is a genius and should always be listened to, notes taken, and instructions followed.

Wannabe...

I wouldnt go quite that far WB. Most of the time your info is full of POO.

I agree poo.....I can understand having poo in the general BS discussions but in the serious ones too? Everytime there is a serious discussion going it seems to get poo'ed on.

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Originally Posted by Wannabe...

What minner is trying to say is:

wannabe is a genius and should always be listened to, notes taken, and instructions followed.

Wannabe...

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What I should have said was mount the thing where ever you want to regardless what WB tells you. Just listen to me and Sat and G3 and Triton. His info just may be skewed a little cause he's got that little screen of his on the front with Gottabe sittin up there hollerin left daddy, right daddy, your other right daddy, slow down, dang it daddy you just passed it. Then he will reply thats all right Son lets fish here fer a while and if we dont catch anything within 2 minutes, get the noculars out and find DonDon.:p:p:confused:

OK, here's my final offer. Does the 788 use the same highspeed transducer as your planned 997/ 898/998? If so, and if this is important to you and if you can live with ti for 2 months - mount the ducer to the transom and the FF up front. If it's compatable, you'll have a high speed ducer for running with the 997 and will be able to mount the expensive SI ducer to where it's out of the water on plane to protect it. 'Course, you'll have to get that splitter cable with the 997 for it to work and you'll have to buy a new TM ducer for the 788 when the 997 is ordered and you'd have to put up with the ducer 16' behind you for 2 months. And to top it all off, you're running a 25HP ain't ya, so the "high speed" ducer prolly doesn't really apply to you after all.

In which case. Nevermind.

I don't know why I question myself when I've already told ya'll to never question me in the first place.

Wannabe...

I new we could get a good sensable anwser out of you. It was hard, but I new it could happen. The only thing wrong with that last answer would be if the 788 has an internal gps, this could throw the ole boy off by 20 ft or so because his ducer would be 16ft behind his gps and with the 2'-4' leadway of the gps this would equal 18'-20' off. He would be fishing by a bouy marker he threw out that just barley is within sight of the structure he thought he was fishing. So with all this being said, this answer you provided really is just poo too. Now this aint an argument and I aint disputing you and your wealth of knowledge. Course if it has an external gps puck then refer to WB's last answer. His WOULD NOT be poo, if you mount your puck close to your ducer.

Just mount the thing to the front and be done with it. And that's my FINAL answer.


Pfffft to Minner.

Wannabe...

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Originally Posted by Wannabe...

Just mount the thing to the front and be done with it. And that's my FINAL answer.


Pfffft to Minner.

Wannabe...

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Thats my final answer too. Unless you want to mount it by the console, then thats where I'd mount it. In reality, it's up to you. Unless you like mine or WB's ideas. Course Sat has some good ideas too and even G3. Aint figured DD's ideas out yet. They mite be good, unless you want your ff to read the surface instead of the bottom. Just sayin.:p

WB you have jacked this thread and aint even changed the subject. WOW you're good!! G3 wont even have to insert it or whack it on this one.

I been practicin' Minner. Hehehehehee.

Wannabe...

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Originally Posted by Minnerman

I new we could get a good sensable anwser out of you. It was hard, but I new it could happen. The only thing wrong with that last answer would be if the 788 has an internal gps, this could throw the ole boy off by 20 ft or so because his ducer would be 16ft behind his gps and with the 2'-4' leadway of the gps this would equal 18'-20' off. He would be fishing by a bouy marker he threw out that just barley is within sight of the structure he thought he was fishing. So with all this being said, this answer you provided really is just poo too. Now this aint an argument and I aint disputing you and your wealth of knowledge. Course if it has an external gps puck then refer to WB's last answer. His WOULD NOT be poo, if you mount your puck close to your ducer.

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The 788 has internal GPS. Now, if I had both, 788 & 998 right now, which would I mount where?

788 up front, 998 at console. Period.

Wannabe...

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Originally Posted by Wannabe...

788 up front, 998 at console. Period.

Wannabe...

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I beg to differ. That all depends, do you want the big screen up front or in the back? If you put big screen up front, you gonna have to either install 2 ducers one on trollin motor and one on the transom or you could just install one on the trollin motor, but you would have to leave trollin motor in the water all the way from the ramp to where ever it is you want to fish. That is if you want your side imagining to work. :confused::confused: Check back later for discription of where to stick the gps puck for the 998. I gotta think about how I'm gonna word that.

788 up front and 998 on console.
Dang it boy.

Minner, I'm gonna whoop you.

Wannabe...

OK, 788 front, 998 back.:)

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Originally Posted by majflyboy

OK, 788 front, 998 back.:)

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So this thread is over?

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Originally Posted by Minnerman

So this thread is over?

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You getting "thread envy" minnerman??:eek::eek:

What would make you say that minner?

Anybody catch the hds vs si thread over on the electronics board? The one referencing BBC? Just ehen I though the hbird low thing was settled in my mind, they pull me back in.

Cp is going to do a side by side comparrison essay over there pretty soon. Should make for a lively discussion.

Wannabe...

I know you need to be moving at atleast a couple MPH using the SI but what about the DI? Could you use it up front like a regular FF?

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Originally Posted by DonDon

I know you need to be moving at atleast a couple MPH using the SI but what about the DI? Could you use it up front like a regular FF?

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Dd with all the rain we been having I haven't been on the water since the upgrade so I can't answer your question. I would imagine you would have to be movin if it works like the si. Does the ducer shoot a cone when in di or is it shooting the layers like the si? Guess that would be the difference in movin or not.

IF it would work. I could split screen it to DI and regular FF mode and see things alot better. It'd be easy to just move it when I switched form the console to up front, then I'd have my way points I marked with it along with the Di tech

Yep

DD, look here http://www.crappie.com/crappie/fishi...ml#post1007248 Jason has some purty good images with speeds below 1 mph.

Yes, it will "work". The touble will be just like with 2D, interpreting what you see. Take a look at the pic. Imagine the left side is a DI image moving forward over a stump at .8 mph with the chart screen set properly. Perfect representation. Now the right side would be sitting stationary over the stump for an extended period. The screen willl draw the return of the top of that stump and the left side will be a history of those returns repeated over and over since you're stationary. Will work good if you want to be directly over and there's a difference in the known depth around you. Immediate confirmation of exact position. Trouble is, in the real world, it's almost impossible to stay exactly motionless and it's incredibly easy to drift off the stump and not know which direction is is from you.

If you have an object that you have a lot of confidence in, it's best to find and mark it with a buoy and fish it that way.

Wannabe...

Did you see the SI screenshots I posted the first trip out and the funny looking stuff? That was SI though and I was hoping the Di would be abit different. By splitting the screen, I'd have BOTH a DI view and the standard FF view. I could actually speed up as I come into an area to get a better view and turn the chart speed down to say 1

If my guess about how you fish is correct, it would be helpful. I envision you slowly poking around searching for the structure in relatively deep water then when you locate it, stopping over it for a while before moving on. That being said, I think the DI up front could only be a bonus in interpretting what you're looking at from the traditional 2D view. You image will alternate between interpretable and not interpretable as you're moving and searching. However, I suspect you've fished your area so regularly, you already know pretty close to where the structure is and already have an idea of what the structure actually is. In that case, the DI upfront would only be a plus for you. The DI upfront advantage would almost disappear if you were fishing new water and unfamiliar with where something is and movement would be needed to be able to interpret what's there. That being said, the beauty up DI is a clearer picture of what is there, not whether or not something is there, so Front DI in a new area couldn't hurt you at all.

Give it a shot when you have the extra cash for the new mount/ducers and power.

BTW, there's nothing to prevent you from taking your existing power cable, pig tailing it at the console and putting a femail pigtail a the front. Done it myself. I enjoy screwing Big Sonar out of an additional $25 bucks for a 40 cent cable when I can. Only advice is to coat the pigtails with dielectric grease.

Wannbe...

Not listen up ya Following me around to harass me Idget. LOL
I'd ease around with it AT the console, marking Waypoints as I go. Once I figger out the best area to fish, based on Way points, wind, current and several other factors, simply head to that area, move the H'Bird up front and then fish the areas I have marked. Not just the power cable though, GPS is mounted in the back of the boat along with the transducer so I'd have to have another set to make this work. That is unless you can figger out a way to extend that cable all the way to the front. That's another 8-10 feet I'm guessing.

It's called a cable extender. Check it out.

'Course the puck would be behind you, but still you could manage with it on the cheap.

Wannabe...

then since I have no idea on how to do it

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Originally Posted by DonDon

then since I have no idea on how to do it

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Dig up some of that fruit jar money you won last year and just go buy a power cable, mount, ducer and gps puck and act like you've never installed one and put it on the front.