It seems like when you fellas get into kip tail, that's all ye use... Joe, etc...
What's the deal with that stuff? What's the action like in the water?
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It seems like when you fellas get into kip tail, that's all ye use... Joe, etc...
What's the deal with that stuff? What's the action like in the water?
OKSTATE you will get alot of different replies to this everyone has different materials they swear buy but for me I use almost always kip. I believe kip is easy to work with , last alot longer then marabou, and cant be beat with the action it has in the water. I have jigs i have used for 100's of fish that still look like they did when i made them. Now maybe its just me but when i use marabou they seem to only last a couple of trips out. Again many will swear marabou or squirrel or there dogs belly hair is the best hair to use but thier wrong lol :)
JJ
haha alright cool. I'm going to expand my horizons and try some kip soon... I'm in the process of moving to my new apt. and moving my girlfriend out of hers and spending time with her while she's still in town and stayin up late and sleepin even later and not fishing any. It's been an early morning bite at my lake and... yall know the rest
Marabou catches crappie like crazy, but if you get a few big slabs they tend to make it not as durable as kip. Marabou or neck hackle gives you more action. Kip lasts longer IMHO. Both will catch you all the fish you need.
I know lots of people like kip tails and I tie them and even have a few for my self, but for the life of me I just can't put down a feather jig to use hair. It is stiffer and no where near the action of feathers. I have so many colors of kip tails you wouldn't believe it, but I just don't use them for my jigs enough to say a lot about them on either side on good or bad.
I just got done tying some with 3 colors of kip tails on 1/32 oz jig heads and boy that is slow work for me and hard to keep each color low enough to all fit on a small jig at least it is for me. Can't rush them.
Skip
I'm a marabou man... I've tied some bucktails and fished them a little... Many times I have tied a bucktail and a marabou on the same line, and the fish ALWAYS take the marabou. But kip, that's something I need to try. Flatfish will be hearing from me soon.
So we have Jiggin Joe in the Kip Korner, claiming that Kip has the action, and Skiptomylu in the Feather Corner saying that Feathers have the action!
This will be the KNOCK-DOWN, DRAG-OUT JIG FIGHT OF THE CENTURY!!!
WHO'S IT GONNA BE?
:D:D
Marabou has more action,kiptail has a subtle action which will catch more fish when the fish are inactive.There is room for both in my tackle boxes. I've been using kip more in the last couple years with good success.
they both have their place, and there are pros and cons to both. kiptail is my favorite because my style of jig uses no chenille body. the hair is just stiff enough to go the whole length of the jig and beyond the hooks bend, without fouling around the hook, when fishing. however if you use it in shorter lengths, it won't have much action, but will still catch fish. The consistency of the kiptail hair can be a problem too. you order the tails and pray that you will get some good ones. there is always hair left on the tail that you won't want to use. It takes more time and effort to tie the kiptail too. you have to select just the right amount to cut off the tail, then pull out some of the underfur, then pull out the unruly hairs and there will be many, and evening up the ends needs doin sometimes too. and all this is with a quality tail. But I just like it too much to not use it. A freind of mine claims to have caught in the neighborhood of 250-300 fish with one I gave him, anjd it's still usable. the kiptail requires a thicker thread too, as more wrapping tension is needed, along with a touch of zap a gap super glue just before tying off. I do tip these jigs with either a minnow or a worm. If I was using chenille tho, I would no doubt be using the marabou. confused yet?...lol
nah, that makes perfect sense
Don't doubt it at all that when they are being picky, as I call it, the kip tail maybe just the ticket and I know that I should try it at lease since I have a box full, LOL!
Skip
there is a easy way to tie kip so it dont matter what the end near the head looks like as far as being even. and it helps so you dont have to measure the length either. you just wrap it at the neck with excess hair going past the head with 3 wraps then pull the hair over the head to the length you want. after you finish tying the jig trim off excess with razor. it is alot easier and you get the exact length every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by redear
jj
For me it is like this:
Best and most action: palmered marabou and schlappen (or large hackle.)
Durability: tails for sure
Ease of use: tails for me, less mess and simpler
What I prefer: Whatever I have, I know can catch fish on anything I tie with any of them.
All of them have their uses and I hate to be caught without any of them at any time when I get serious about tying.
If you want to see "action" take any size jig and palmer 3 marabou feathers on it starting about 1/4 inch down from the jig head, wrap it tight over the last wrap and keep going til you get to the head. Put that in water and see how it all lays back on a pull and then explodes out when you stop. Have had a Coho Salmon come into 6 inches of water to hit jigs and flies like that more than once.
Kip and squirrel tails can be made to be wide and stay that was so they have the same use but won't have the change in profile unless I have been doing it wrong for all this time. I can get a jig to look really big with both but it didn't have the streamline to puffball changes that marabou or hackle/schlappen give me.
Well guess it's my turn. I have used alot of kip recently and I like the way it looks but kip ain't no friend of mine. I would rather use just about any other kind of hair there is because it is so hard for me to get the dern stuff to stay where I want it. Illinois Giller and Jiggin Joe can make some really pretty jigs with that stufff and I can make a passable looking one with it but I'd trade it all for a good tree rat tail just about any day. I have been getting some of the best squirrel tails I have ever seen from FF46 and I may just send all my kip to Joe and Giller. That kip is slick as snail snot and I have retied the same jig about 20 times with it and still not been happy with it. One thing I have learned with kip is that if you put just a tiny bit of nail polish on the hook shank and then start your thread wrap it dosent seem to slip as bad. As a matter of fact I have started doing that on all the jigs I tie. It just keeps me from ever having to retie due to the hair slipping or pulling out the back. As far as durablity is concerned kip will last about as long as your hook will but tree rat will last about as long and it is alot easier for me to find road kill squirrels than it is road kill calves:eek: Any way everybody finds their own favorite tying material as they go so by all means try it and see if you like it. I wouldn't recommend buying out the store before you really give it an honest try though. I am like Fish4all in that palmered hackel is one of the best actions you can put on a jig but a bluegill bed will rip it to shreads in just a few minutes. So you have my humble opinion for what you paid for it lol good luck with whatever you try and no matter which one you go with you'll catch fish with it if you believe in it........brim
Well said if I do say so myself there Mr. BrimQuote:
Originally Posted by brimreaper
Kip does like to roll over on you.To counter this I pick out the finer stuff so it isn't bulky then I start wrapping it below where I want it to go.When I tighten it down it "usually" goes where I want it.Hang in there brim,you'll get it.
We use to use alot of Kip Tail on ice during the ice fishing season for crappie , Gills and perch that was in WI. for meQuote:
Originally Posted by OKSTATEjiggy
Most of the market up north suported those type jigs in those materials
Crappie Dale :cool: