Garmin units that don't require black box?

Hi
Which Garmin fish finders dont require the black box?
Looks like the 102sv .

Others?

"The ECHOMAP Ultra 102sv combo includes built-in support for optional traditional CHIRP, CHIRP ClearVü and CHIRP SideVü scanning sonars, Ultra High-Definition scanning sonar and Panoptix LiveScope LVS12 sonar (no black boxes required) plus the full line of Panoptix[emoji769] all-seeing sonar transducers. It also supports the Panoptix LiveScope system."

Thanks

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I believe the 8000 series of units along with the new Echomap Ultra units do not need the black box for using the UHD transducers or the smaller livescope transducer, I think it is the lvs12. The LVS32 Livescope transducer still needs a black box no matter which unit you use. Reviews on the lvs12 have not been good but it is 1/3 the cost, $500 compared to $1,500. I'd wait and save my money to get the LVS32.

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Originally Posted by Roy

I believe the 8000 series of units along with the new Echomap Ultra units do not need the black box for using the UHD transducers or the smaller livescope transducer, I think it is the lvs12. The LVS32 Livescope transducer still needs a black box no matter which unit you use. Reviews on the lvs12 have not been good but it is 1/3 the cost, $500 compared to $1,500. I'd wait and save my money to get the LVS32.

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Oh no
There are 2 livescope transducers???

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There is 4 now.

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Originally Posted by trypman1

There is 4 now.

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?????? I only know of 2 from Garmin.

The LVS32 requires and comes with a black box. The LVS12 works with the Ultra and 8000 series without a box.
The 12 is cheaper but you most likely won’t like it.