Glen Elder

1st, the fishing's great. 2nd parking stinks. 3rd loading/unloading really stinks with inclement weather. We drove through the campgrounds and didn't see any KS plates, not one:eek: Everybody was keeping their 50 fish limit, everybody!Doh The state park coves were standing room only, basically. People got mad at me for throwing them back, REALLY. It seems that if you have to pay MORE for the license, then you deserve special treatment, wtf. I saw the same in the mid 90's, almost. This is worse, by far. Might as well be using long-line nets. The fall fishing, I'm not going there, it's depressing. The outta-staters should have to use their states creel limits, go there and see, I bet you'll agree. I've seen the marina ramp parking backed up to the church, over 1/2 mile to the dock. It's like a flock of cormorants on a hatchery pond, feeding time. The loading/unloading thing, the truth would get this thread deleted with my adverb/adjective selection. I would've been preoccupied at the intersection too, if I was driving. On Sat you had to look for the water because it was covered by boats. Sorry I'm such an optimist, but it felt more like a NFL game with all the people and parking issues. Kinda reminds me of Clint Eastwood in The Gauntlet. But hey, the crappie are biting.Hands Clapping

I have argued with Scott about this before and he keeps saying Fishing Pressure doesn't affect a lake. We aren't smart enough to actually understand all the real factors that cause the rise and fall of a fishery I was told in not so many words.

There was a walleye tournament there over the weekend. That brings in a lot of out of state people with a pocket full of money to spend on lodging, food and fuel. The local business/ lodging need the out of state people to survive. If KS would stop charging personal property tax on boats then the cheaters would have a KS plate on their trailer instead of a NB plate. Glen is a federal lake with state ramps and campgrounds, we can't regulate who fishes there. I feel your pain and I've seen the slaughter in the past at Kirwin but Kirwin has survived and still has very good crappie fishing. Best thing to do is try and catch the cheaters and turn them in. Last week I saw a local keeping walleye shorts, 5 or 6 of them. I called his boat # in, don't know what came of it. I fish Glen weekly and see the same local boats keeping more fish than they could possible ever eat in a year. Why? I saw the same thing on the ice last winter. Their probably the same ones I saw at Kirwin. Glen is a big lake, it will survive. One other thing, I don't ever fish weekends and some days I'm the only truck at the ramp.

I usually fish mid week as well to avoid the crowds. I should be home from Iraq in about a month and I am looking forward to hitting Glen as it is my favorite lake in Kansas. I guess we are screwed out of staters all the way from Iraq are coming to fish. Just kidding.
Hopefully the crazyness will end before I get home. I am looking forward to putting some fish in the boat.

Tom

Ranger6, There should be a few left for you, its a big lake and hopefully there will be another good spawn this year. I left all I caught the time I was there, catch an release. Let us know when you get back to the states maybe some of us CDC members can meet for a fish fry and welcome home party.

good post doc son-in laws brother was there couple of weeks ago said the nebs had the ramp so f'd up and the camp grounds littered up he went to cedar bluff biologists prolly have their hands tied brownback needs the out of state money to take care of his state employs yeah right

Gotta agree with you doc, I've been holding my tongue around those folks but its getting tougher. I wanted to tell em that when their lakes stocked up we"ll come up there with about 50 boats and clean em out for em.

What's the solution? Should we pool our funds and buy all the state land around the lake, close the parks and remove the boat ramps? Lets vote for someone that will change the laws and keep the out of state fishermen and hunters out and tell the state to stop advertising for tourism???? Like it or not, it's not going to change. Long after we're dead and buried someone will be catching fish in KS and taking them to another state. If you see someone breaking the law, turn them in!

I'll bite. I'm from Nebraska, and yes I've spent five days at Glen Elder this year. The fishing has been tremendous and there have been a lot of Nebraska folks. Your right, the State Park ramp is a joke with people who didn't know what they were doing, and lots of people were keeping limits of crappies. I started using Boller Ramp and its been much better. I fish Kansas a bunch and don't like to see that much pressure on Glen either. I try to be a good steward of your lakes - I love to fish Milford and Glen. There isn't much quality fishing for walleye and crappie in Nebraska so quite a few guys head to Glen, Kirwin, Milford, Wilson etc.

At McConaughy everyone complains about the people from Colorado. It's easy to get stereotyped by a few jerks from your state. Some people screw it up for the rest of us.

I don't go to a lake to be a COP. I'm not in law enforcement and my nose stays right where it belongs. And shame on anyone who thinks this mentality is the PROBLEM. Do they come to your job and help you? We live in a police state anymore, and we've surrendered enough in the name of whatever to help them. A friend of mine from Wyoming has his motorhome disemboweled every year he comes here. They destroy it looking for dope and when they find nothing, they threaten him about complaining about the costs he faces to repair his camper. They tread on our civil rights like we have none, and then blame us as the problem. I really could care less about the fish kill, but to disrespect us and throw courtesy and ethics back in our faces-SHAME ON THEM.
5 Boats waiting for the dock and they come off the lake, force the guys trailering to choke, make the guy who dropped his driver off to back into the bank to miss them, or cut in front of half a dozen boats like they're something special. This is the mentality that got us here, it's not tax evasion or complete mis-information or the middle of the week BS. Open your eye's, it's GREED. Yes they're gonna be here, but that doesn't make it OK to crap in my yard and tell me it'll make my flowers grow. I fish because they don't lie, they can't be bought and they don't steal. We should all follow suite.