CJ WATER TEMPS AND FISHING THREAD!

[flatheadking06]

Jeremiah, you and I are friends, thanks for the Adult conversation and discussion, I feel as friends we can discuss things even if we differ on some things!
I think you are correct on most all of your statements...you are correct the State can balance the deer population by increasing tags, etc, and by opening up land...deer are not on Grant road anymore, because they are on the east side of CJ where no hunting is allowed, last time Dale and I went out to check the ice, there were 3 different herds from the Marina, back into the campgrounds, they all move into the fields in the summer, when they are safe...'Yotes, cull the young and Old deer until the herds are in balance, then female 'yotes have fewer pups, or the families are culled by nature. Right now they are producing extra pups due to the OVER ABUNDANCE of Prey. They Prey has just moved to safer areas and the predators have followed!
Just out in my area, there are over 20 herds of deer, from Rt 72 to Rt 68 (East and West) from I70 to the Clark/Greene border...and all of this land is no hunting. I have had 14 Turkeys at a time feeding in my backyard bird feeders.
Animals like humans, pretty much know where they are safe...the reason for the infestation my area, is that all the land IS NO HUNTING and all the farmers hunt predators, because "they are bad"!
Once everything becomes STABLE again, the 'yote population will cull itself...this ALWAYS HAPPENS in Nature! WE (Man) ruin the balance by trying to play God, instead of letting it play out!

Had someone ask me why we play God at CJ....CJ was a MAN-MADE lake that was designed by idiots with no foresight! So instead of just having a bowl that held water and had massive swings in the fishery, a bunch of fishermen, did their best to improve a fishery that the State botched in the beginning. And we did it to benefit the whole dang fishery and everyone, not just to make honey holes! WE WORKED WITH NATURE TO HELP BALANCE CJ...NOT AGAINST IT!

You hit the nail on the head! Nature always finds a way to balance, I believe this whole heartedly. Mother Nature has a funny way of showing it sometimes i.e. natural disasters, but it will always work out.

Nothing wrong with being adults and having controversy over a subject... Its human nature lol.

And you are correct, the deer have moved into areas where they feel safe, and "man" has seen this as a decline in numbers instead of refocusing and understanding the population has just shifted. To say there is an over abundance of game, well I still have mixed thoughts. Deer were unheard of in the 80s in clark county. If you saw 5, man you were doing something! Over the last 3 decades the population has exploded, literally, and with deer being a creature of "edges" they can be found most everywhere nowadays. Very adaptable animals! But simply stating they are still there just not in area a but in area b doesnt solve the predatory problem. And vis versa, killing all the coyotes in an area where deer were prevalent doesnt do any good either. The state needs to come up with a system where these "over populated" areas can be hunted via a lottery system. This process has been in use and is still bein used today in metro areas around dayton to help curb the over populated areas. Huffman dam area, aroun wright pat and several other areas of the 5 river metro park area have this lottery system in use an I can only assume it helps with the deer control but I for know the statistics. If land owners, in areas where the state legislation allows, would open their land to hunters, they wouldnt have to complain about over abundance of deer and other game animals. By breaking that natural barrier where deer feel unthreatened and get them reintroduced into the reality of a balance ecosystem, they wouldn't congregate heavily in those areas where they are deemed over populated and then there would be no need for all the 'yote killers. Looking back through the years though, trappers were an essential element to the foundry of this nation... Some bagging over 1000 critters including coyotes a season... It was a means of living back then. Too often today, people seek hunting/fishing as a means of a trophy expedition and lose sight of what these privileges were traditionally used for- sustainability. But sometimes natures way needs a helping hand. For example, the wild/feral hog issue most states are finding now. These hogs are devastating to the local indigenous species and eat anything they can fit in their mouths. In almost every place the hogs can be found, coyotes and other natural predators are present but they arent controlling the population and the hogs are taking over all while driving the natural wild game out of the area. If left unchecked, the only game available would be the hogs. So should they be left alone to just let Mother Nature do her thing? Absolutely not! Just as the coyote issue we have at hand. Again I dont believe just going out and shooting everyone of them you see is the solution to the problem, but rather having the state come up with an alternative to get natural prey back into the area the belong will help reduce coyote occurrences.