Thats what they are doing, bringing the 2 together.Quote:
Originally Posted by stormcloud
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Thats what they are doing, bringing the 2 together.Quote:
Originally Posted by stormcloud
The 4 have nothing to do with LA. Have to be OVER 12". Keep 15.
Someone post Larry Pughs email address. Oh, never mind, here it is.
[email protected]
Sent Mr. Pugh a letter tonight. Everyone with a concern about the changes should do the same.
Emailed Mr. Pugh now, asking for the pole limit to be raised from three poles per angler to five poles per angler.
They should ignore all of the inputs outside of what the biologist recommend. They're supposed to be the experts. All fishermen are biased whether acknowledged or not. Its like asking people what the speed limit should be. I'm sure truckers, cab drivers, motorcyclist, teenagers vs. elders and the average Joe will have a different set of circumstances to debate. Just make a darn decision and roll with it.
So we just accept whatever they say????? No how this country was founded and hope that we can at least have an input.Quote:
Originally Posted by 27458
Some would argue you had your input when you voted. Your elected representatives write the laws and set the parameters for the decisions that are made..
And here is where you are mistaken, not the first one of these folks making this decision are elected, they are appointed by the Governor or hired by Mississippi Department of Wildlife Fisheries and Parks.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowCamp
Please don't get me wrong, I am not saying they are wrong, I am saying I don't like it and see no need for it to start with, the size limits and creel limits are set, how many ways do we need to control things. I applaud the hard work of the MDWFPs and am just acting within the guidelines the Commission and the MDWFPs have set for us. This is much like voting, just like voting we can voice our thoughts and opinions and if we don't so so then we should have no complaints no matter what comes down.
Email sent to Mr. Pugh 6/1/15.
Just don't think biased input will make any difference. you don't think they've heard it all before?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rees Guide
Then Larry Pugh is blowing some serious smoke up my .... well you know. I have had numerous emails with him since the March meeting including telling me what would be announced at the last meeting on the Monday before the Wednesday meeting, I waited (out of respect for him) to announce what would be presented until the meeting was going on. When he got back in town the first of last week he emailed me and asked if I still intended to ask for 4 poles per person when I speak at the commission meeting June 10th, he remember almost word for word what we had talked about in March.
I honestly do think they are listening, may prove me to be the biggest idiot out there but until proven wrong I trust they are listening. They may very well pass the intent just the way it is but they will have heard from us.
Thank you John for staying involved and on top of this. Up until that meeting you attended before the only ones they had heard from were the guys who would outlaw trolling all together. If enough of us stay involved we can head off some of these changes that would have a negative impact on how we like to fish.
I dont think he is blowing smoke, they seemed sincerly intetested in what we thought at the meeting, all 3 of them in fact, they asked very direct questions and got direct answers, and gave us direct answers to our questions. I believe they are willing to listen and want the fishermens thoughts.
I received this reply on my email letter from Mr. Pugh. At least it's working and our opinions are being considered. Let's go guys email him a letter ASAP. Thx guys, your support is appreciated.
Mr. Burnett,
Thanks for your comments. I will be summarizing all of the public comments we have received at next week's Commission meeting. Several individuals have expressed your same thoughts with most favoring a 4 pole limit rather than a 3.
I will keep everyone updated as the process moves forward. Thanks again!
LarryP
Let it go Rees. Ain't worth your time budro. Those that know you, know what you're doing, and Why. I agree with it.
Thank You for your efforts my friend. [emoji106]
Thanks Bill and you are right. See ya in a couple of days.
Stop it, be nice, post nice...
Hey Slab, I done good THIS time. [emoji57]
Now back to the task at hand.
Please send a letter to
[email protected] about the new Rules Changes.
Your support in this issue is Greatly appreciated.
Yes you did, thank you. Can't say the same for Rees.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRiverMarine
We ALL have our weak moments. Hard to turn the other cheek when someone slaps you down. We are a family here for sure, but no one has a PERFECT family. [emoji57]Quote:
Originally Posted by Slab
It's over, so let's move on to the main topic in this thread.
Have you sent in a letter yet? You gewbers are down here enough that you should get involved!!!!! [emoji120]🏻
Not sure what I did other than defend myself and suggest the gentleman write his own letter to the Commission.
Its a part of the process that is very important, we failed to use the system (the system failed us some as well) and it bit us at Sardis, we looked at the intent and didn't really see anything to worry about and didn't attend public meetings and voice our opinion. Others did and they were heard and had they had their way we would all be single poling and trolling would be a thing of the past on the Big Four. If we don't voice our opinion then we have no reason to complain when changes are made that we don't like or agree with.
As far as the biologist doing what is best for the fisheries I am all for it just don't think it has to be a bunch of different regs to do this.
I'll send you a PM and splain why your posts were deleted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rees Guide
Thanks Slab.
if they make it 11 in mll because everyone is gripin about more poles, we may as well start pond fishin
We won'T see 11 inch mll, that is history.
hope your right
Me too, in March going back to 12 was already figured on so hopefully that will stay in place and become regulation.
From Larry Pugh, MDWFP
Mr. Shands,
Thanks for your comments. I will be summarizing all of the public comments we have received at next week’s Commission meeting. Several individuals have expressed favoring a 4 pole limit rather than 3. However, keep in mind that there is already a 3-pole limit in place on Sardis and Grenada. We were recommending lowering the pole limit for Arkabutla and Enid.
I will keep everyone updated as the process moves forward. Thanks again!
So, any time a rule is imposed, the restrictions can only get tighter? Awesome.
Pretty much, once we lose it , its gone...so we need to come together keep what we have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wind Knot
I troll and didn't like the 3 pole change at Sardis but once in place and a couple years later its no big deal. Just makes you fish harder for that 15 limit. Honestly most folks want that 15 just to brag about getting there limit. So if they would bring the limit to 10 that would be perfect. The 3 pole is in place to slow down trolling catch rate that's it. Less poles lowers the chance of getting 15. Just makes it a challenge that's all. They will pass 3 poles without a doubt. Cheaper on tackle also. It will be fine.
MDWFP is proposing to change crappie regulations on Arkabutla, Enid, Sardis, and Grenada Lakes, also known as the Flood Control Reservoirs (FCRs), and Eagle Lake. The proposal for the FCRs will make the regulations uniform across all of the lakes. The proposed rule will make the minimum length crappie that anglers may keep 12 inches, set the daily creel limit to 15 fish per angler, and limit the number of poles an angler can use to three. In addition, boats with three or more anglers will be able to keep 40 crappie per boat. Daily creel limits in the FCRs' spillways, including Sardis Lower Lake, will also be reduced to 15 fish per angler. "The proposed rules for the FCRs are intended to maintain our top-ranked, nationally recognized crappie fisheries," said Larry Pugh, MDWFP Fisheries Bureau Director. "Having the same regulations on all of these lakes will also simplify regulations for the anglers," added Pugh.
Just got my news email from MDWFP. This is what was in it about crappie fishing. Everyone needs to write a letter to them if they want to stop or change this proposal before the date mentioned. This is what was in the email newsletter.
Crappie Regulation Changes Proposed for Flood Control Reservoirs and Eagle Lake
MDWFP is proposing to change crappie regulations on Arkabutla, Enid, Sardis, and Grenada Lakes, also known as the Flood Control Reservoirs (FCRs), and Eagle Lake. The proposal for the FCRs will make the regulations uniform across all of the lakes. The proposed rule will make the minimum length crappie that anglers may keep 12 inches, set the daily creel limit to 15 fish per angler, and limit the number of poles an angler can use to three. In addition, boats with three or more anglers will be able to keep 40 crappie per boat. Daily creel limits in the FCRs' spillways, including Sardis Lower Lake, will also be reduced to 15 fish per angler. "The proposed rules for the FCRs are intended to maintain our top-ranked, nationally recognized crappie fisheries," said Larry Pugh, MDWFP Fisheries Bureau Director. "Having the same regulations on all of these lakes will also simplify regulations for the anglers," added Pugh.On Eagle Lake, the proposed crappie rule will impose an 11-inch minimum length limit and reduce the daily creel limit to 30 fish per angler. "The proposed rule will protect smaller fish from harvest and allow more fish to grow to a larger size," said MDWFP Fisheries Biologist Jerry Brown. The proposed rule change will be contingent upon Louisiana adopting the same regulation, and will go into effect October 1, 2015.
Anyone wishing to comment on the proposed change may do so in writing to MDWFP Fisheries Bureau, 1505 Eastover Dr., Jackson, MS 39211, no later than June 21, 2015
These rules just got me wondering. Grenada has had 3 pole for years as I understand it and the mml has been kept at 12 for a long while as well. This past year the number of 3+lb crappie caught (even in a single boat) was down right freaky so I just wonder if with all these lakes set the same if the same result can be expected in the near future for Enid, Sardis, and Butla?
They would all get better. But it seems the majority on here are wanting more poles. The proposal claims they are trying to keep these lakes top ranked. The biologist must have some concern in order to propose lowering limits and poles in order to keep these good. I hope everyone puts some thought into before they hastily send a letter because there buddy did it, or that's what everybody else is doing. I sent an email an told him I thought the proposal was the best possible thing to keep these lakes world class and I really appreciate there hard work with this. He responded and thanked me for the positive response. He said with all the negative responses it was nice seeing something positive, and he appreciated it. The truth is these people do this for a living, they have degrees in this field, and they are working hard to maintain our world class fisheries.Quote:
Originally Posted by KDAVID1
I don't think Sardis will ever be equal to Grenada just for the simple fact that it's the easiest to get to coming from the north. I know Arkabutla is technically closer , but most don't even consider it or Enid either. Sardis just gets hammered with pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by KDAVID1
I just wrote my letter to the MDWFP. I still do not think that the amount of poles have anything to do with this issue. I can understand having limits and creel sizes and each and every lake needs to have its own size and limits as every lake is different. Each lake is different with different needs just like a person going to the doctor no one has the same problems and needs. But this pole limit is not needed in maintaining fish limits and creel sizes.
Nor is the fishery Grenada is, period. Grenada has been producing monster crappie for 32 years that I have been fishing it and it always will. Some years better than others, the 3 pole limit on it is not the magic wand that made them appear.