I agree with speck, females will lay multiple nests, and males fertilize and guard. I troll shallow and wade, whichever puts fish in the boat.
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I agree with speck, females will lay multiple nests, and males fertilize and guard. I troll shallow and wade, whichever puts fish in the boat.
A dead fish is a dead fish . But mo maybe your right whatever it takes
G , i agree with you on this, i have seen first hand what over population will do, Caddo lake in Tx. . that i love to fish, has now removed the slot limit on crappie to encourage people to take out the smaller crappie, lake od the pines also does this every winter, both lake have waaay to many dinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by "G"
The way I look at it, if I catch a female, any month of the year, thats one less fish to lay eggs. If what I take out hurts the lake, then the limit needs to be reduced. I feel that there are enough fish being thrown back and produced every year to keep the population in line. It may not be perfect every year, but it usually balances out over the course of a year or two.
The big 4 will never ever have an overpopulation problem.And i'm not sure if there will always be fish to catch.Fish Butla a few days and let me know if there are plenty of fish left.
I completely understand what ATM is saying and I do the same Handi. An oldtimer always told me that the males are more critical to the spawn since they're needed to guard the eggs and the fry once they hatch. I know the males eat some of their fry after the hatch but I think he was right about this. A single female can lay about a jillion eggs but with no male there to protect..... I've always tried to leave the males alone. Also, it's a lot easier to get a limit trolling in the deeper water where they're staged up waiting to go in and that's where the big mamas can be found.Quote:
Originally Posted by Handicrappie
Oops. Didn't mean to say the same thing that Speck said. Guess I need to read the whole thread before posting. My bad...
It's all specks fault anyway!
and WB is ugly
Don't try to trick Mother Nature.....She'll figure it all out in the end.
Been so long since i have been fishing i dont give a flip what it is male female ,crossdesser its goin in my cooler
and KDavid is TINY. Leas what Donnie says lol
Mr Jim, you da man
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Originally Posted by DonDon
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So you think Enid is not over populated?????Quote:
Originally Posted by Big C
I figured Butla was about fished out toward the end of summer last year after the lake had been so low and been fished so hard. Then September came, the fish started biting again, we saw 60-80 boats a day for 3-4 weeks and about 25,000 (estimated) more crappie were harvested out of Butla. She's gotta be about empty and spawn may clean her out. Hope she doesn't get a lot of pressure during spawn.....it's a great fishery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big C
An average size female white crappie can lay 10,000-60,000 eggs. That's just one fish. I don't think any of the big four will ever be "fished out". Crappie are one of the most prolific breeders of all fish. That's why they can over populate very easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by CatchumDeep
I swore I was turning over a new leaf today and was going to be good. But some of you gewbers are either uninformed, unintelligent, or just plain don't grasp simple math.
If you must release all fish under 12", how will you EVER fish out a lake?
Good point Chaney
According to a mdwfp chart based off of one of their surveys on one of the big four this is what a typical crappie fishery looks like. Forget the specific numbers, they are relative. Someone tell me how you are going to "fish out a fishery".
0"-2" 1,000,000
2"-4" 500,000
4"-6" 250,000
6"-8" 125,000
8"-10" 62,500
10"-12" 31,250
12"-14" 15,625
14"-16" 7812
16"-18 3906
With size restrictions there is no way to "fish" out a lake. Only Mother Nature can impact that. If you want to argue that u can catch out all the above 12 inch fish then that is valid although I don't think it's possible. This time last year "everybody" was raising heck about how bad Sardis and Enid were with the dinks and now both places are giving out limits like Obama giving free cell phones. Crappie lakes go in cycles........
HANDICRAPPIE you have said it best!
It's simple math to me! If south65 catches 10,000 fish per year any lake he fishes is doomed. But then you got Wb helping to keep the catch rate to a minimum on any lake he goes to. Average the 2 and that means the average angler gonna catch 5000 per year and you got only 2,000,000+/- fish that means that 400 Average anglers gonna fish it out. My theory rests on the two anglers mentioned above so my numbers may be off just a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by ATM
Absolutely agree you will never fish them dry and you have to keep them from overpopulating.But that is not to say the big fish will always be there.And Enid could stand to lose some fish but it does not see as much pressure as other lakes.
got to butla and see how many keepers you get
The problem last year was the low water....... Then the pressure applied. Be nice to see lakes shut down in extreme conditions like last year. I'm sure there was an unusually high number of keepers taken out of the lake but again....... Lakes go in cycles and Mother Nature played the biggest role in this cycle last year. Without the extreme low water the unusually high harvest would not have occurred. I fished Butla 1 day last year so add me to the group of folks who took advantage of the conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by slabin
im with you Handi they should close them down when the water gets that low
never said u took advantage of it so not really sure what you are trying to applyQuote:
Originally Posted by Handicrappie
I was just stating that I also went any took advantage of the conditions. Didn't mean anything by it. Just didn't want to act like I was calling anyone else out when I also went and fished it.Quote:
Originally Posted by slabin
In a recent email from MDWFP they mention they never worry about the FCR's overpopulating due to the large number of fish that go through the spillway.
Those river systems should be a heck of a crappie fishery then!(if the fish survive)
Ya, I think Mr Jim can probably tell ya some stories of fishing the river below Butla.Quote:
Originally Posted by MO' MONEY
This question here might be out of left field but I'm gonna ask, when trolling with jigs say 1/16oz with skirt or tipped with minnow do you put a weight on the bottom like you do with a double minnow setup? I know dumb question but I've never trolled with jigs.
we add a weight to the bottomQuote:
Originally Posted by crappiebandit
Thanks mrgoodtime that what I figured.
some put the weight inbetween Capps and Coleman style usually a half ounce......spider rigging is slowtrolling......... longlineing is pulling jigs out the back of the boat without a weight......about 35-45 of line out and you go a little faster than spider rigging.
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Originally Posted by MrGoodtime
LOL.... Ain't that the truth. I had one hate'n on me the other day pretty bad. He ask me in a kinda arrogant tone ...." Son what you gonna do if you get a fish on 3 of them poles at one time?" I told him... Catch 3 fish while you watch i guess.
Also ... On my long lining adventure the other day.. We was catching fish and someone told us we weren't fishing we was snag'n !! LOL
Good point, Handi. Low water was a problem and fish had nowhere to hide. I fished Butla a good bit last year since we were having trouble finding keepers at Sardis and Enid. Was feeing sorta guilty about all of the limits we took out of there during the low water time until I saw what happened in September. The water came up in late summer and the lake spread out. We started getting quick limits in a couple of hours. Then word got out on internet and you couldn't find a parking place for about 4 weeks. We saw 60-80 boats per day when weather allowed us to fish and most of them were hammering the fish. Doing some quick math says that 20,000 to 25,000 keepers were taken out by first week in October when the bite slowed way down. Conservative estimate: 50 boats per day on average X 1.5 people per boat on average X 10 fish per person X 30 days = 22,500 keepers. As ATM shows, the lake is not fished out but I believe that keepers will be hard to come by after the September pounding. We'll see soon what shape the lake is in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Handicrappie
Yep have caught a bunch downstream at onetime there wasnt a limit,they figured once they went thru the pipe it was a lost resurceQuote:
Originally Posted by Handicrappie