I have to tell on myself. I got stuck today TWICE. Once on a mud flat (running 25mph and kicked the motor up) and once going into the gravel pit (idling) Luckily for me-but not for Rees--Rees was with me or else I'd still be out there. I would never have been able to get unstuck (beings I am very very short and can't touch the bottom Also no pictures are available (that I know of) so I am lucky there. SO I am a big fat JADA. And my wife has banned me from butla for a while (til the water comes up) This will be the last I speak of this (I hope) and it will take some time (and maybe therapy) to repair my damaged ego. banghead