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I just wanted to add something that sadly has seemed to have been forgotten in these times of political correctness. Something that was very important to our founding fathers, in fact our nation was founded on these beliefs, but is getting whittled away a little more every day by our liberal law makers.....IN GOD WE TRUST!
It's not being whittled away...it's just been replaced with , "IN GOV'T WE TRUST".
The Hound
Ditto Ragfly. Evwen though Obama wasnt my choice for President I will support whomever becomes our President until he/she give me a reason not to. I guess time will tell whether the choice was a good one or not, regardless whether history was made or not.:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragfly Jig Man
My wife loves her job and loves being with children all day. That being said she is expected to work miracles with all children. I dont see how you all do it. I hear her complaints about exactly what you stated above. She brings her papers home to grade and enter into her computer most nights because her planning is not long enough. Man I bet reaper or myself wouldnt last a day in that enviroment.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by CrappieHound
It isn't for everyone but I love it! I get bored easily and this is just one place that will not let that happen. Data says that teachers answer around 1,000 questions a day! Try that! LOL
I'm not trying to beat on anyone here, but percieved reality is very different from actuality.
The Hound
Big government is never a good thing. That seem to be the liberal agenda, and according to Obama's words in the past, it seems to be his as well. Let's hope he turns out like most presidents in the past and moves more towards the center as time goes on. That he surrounds himself with the right kind of people who remind him that a lot of conservative states flipped for him and need to represented in his policies. The guy wants to be re elected in 2012, so I doubt he and the liberals in Congress will move too far left too quickly, I hope. Or maybe I should hope they do. then we will get a bigger conservative swing in two years and then get a real conservative Republican candidate for President in 2012. We'll see soon how things are likely to go as Mr.Obama chooses his cabinet. Anybody who read my rants on Monday knows how I feel about the guy, and that hasn't changed. He is to be my president, like it or not, so I am trying my best to move on with a little hope. But this bad taste in my mouth makes that tough.
As for the school thing, I have been a little displeased over the teaching methods myself. I don't blame the teachers. My oldest son is in second grade, and the local public shool system has implemented some new ways of teaching the kids the same things we all learned in school. I look at his homework, and I'm lost. I know how to reach the answers, but not how to do it their way, if that makes any sense. I think it's called "Everyday Math". I talked to his teachers the last two years and they didn't seem all to thrilled about the new methods themselves, But that's the way they've been told to do it. If they are going to reinvent how things are taught, maybe we should have school for the parents to teach the new way too. I don't envy the positions you teachers are put in with the way things have to be done and trying to deal with all the things that should be taken care of at home. But I definitely have great respect for those of you who don't let those things stop you from teaching our children.
Thanks Speck....truth be told I do it for the "money" and the "fame". :D
The Hound
The Kentucky Education Reform Act Heres a link about what KY teachers have to deal with if anyone cares.
I bet you made more money this last 8 years than any time in your life. Just a guess...Am I right? I see a President who has kept this great nation safe from attacks on our own soil
minnowsoaker...glad to see we agree that this is a phenomenal country and that we can both disagree and still be civil.
the last eight years have been the worst financially for my wife and i. actually, the last seven. the company i worked for froze our pensions, gave us a lousy 401k that had underperforming choices, dismantled our healthcare to the tune that it cost thousands for our daughter's birth, and then when the company went bankrupt, i lost tons of company stock and saw my 401k pretty much wiped out. not good financially.
the worst attack on the contigious u.s. happened on bush's watch. he was in office a good eight months, sitting on the same info that slick willy had, but nothing was done. and then, instead of going after bin laden en masse, when we had a good idea where he was in afghanistan, we instead used "faulty intelligence" and attacked iraq. hmmmm
now if you want to blame the current financial crisis on the democrats and their failed economic policies concerning the housing market, i challenge with this:
President Bush's "America's Home Ownership Challenge" pushed the private lending sector (as well as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac) to make more than 5.5 million new minority and low income mortgage loans. To meet his challenge to the private lending industry, twenty four of our largest banking and lending companies pledged to make 1.1 trillion dollars in low income and minority loans.
• From Bush Administration’s White House Press Release entitled, "Focusing on the Nation’s Priorities – Meeting America’s Housing Needs": In 2002, the President issued America’s Homeownership Challenge to increase first-time minority homeowners by 5.5 million through 2010. ... In 2006, 31 percent of those using FHA mortgages were minorities purchasing their first home. The 2008 Budget continues Administration efforts to modernize FHA by improving its ability to reach traditionally underserved homebuyers...
• While in Georgia in 2002, Bush made a speech in which he directly stated, "One of the barriers to homeownership is the inability to make a downpayment. And if one of the goals is to increase homeownership, it makes sense to help people pay that downpayment. ...Fannie May and Freddie Mac, as well as the federal home loan banks, will increase their commitment to minority markets by more than $440 billion.
• On December 16, 2003, President Bush signed into law the American Dream Downpayment Act of 2003, which will help approximately 40,000 families a year with their down payment and closing costs, and further strengthen America’s housing market. This legislation complements the President’s aggressive housing agenda announced in 2002 to dismantle the barriers to homeownership. (From White House Press Release "American Dream Downpayment Act of 2003 – Expanding Homeownership Opportunities for All).
• The Republican administration had HUD offer "zero down payment" mortgages, and risky 3, 5, and 7-year adjustable rate mortgages.
• Of course, these goals were reiterated in the 2004 GOP platform: The most significant barrier to homeownership is the down payment. We support efforts to reduce that barrier, like the American Dream Downpayment Act and Zero Downpayment Mortgages.
• It was the Gramm Leach Bliley Act that allowed banks to deal in mortgage-backed securities. Without passage of the GLBA by a Republican-controlled Congress, the subprime mess couldn't have happened. Chief architect of the GLBA? John McCain's economic adviser, Phil Gramm. Yes, that Phil Gramm. The GLBA was passed on a vote split along party lines (John McCain voted "aye," by the way).
and by the way. i voted for bush the first time. i am not a lib. i thought he would keep his word on challenging roe vs. wade, but not once was that challenge made.
will obama keep his word...i have been voting too many years to believe anything coming from politicians. however, when traffic stops moving, it is sometimes better to find a new road.
i say give the guy a chance.
and thank you for the chance to reply.
I think teaching children starts at home,if parents of these children were half as dedicated as the teachers we have,this country would be a lot better off. As far as Obama, I am trying to keep an open mind and willing to give him a chance to earn my respect. So we shall see.
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Originally Posted by minnowsoaker
actually whittled away by politicians who serve corporations and special interest groups ahead of their constituents and the constitution.
i do agree, that if we become a Godless nation, we are doomed. we have been so blessed, so fortunate that even our poor live better than many in other countries.
minnow, i have been through georgia a few times in my life, and i have to give you your props, sir....you are every bit the gentleman that i have run into down there. again, thanks for your civility and i too will pray that God guides our new president and our lawmakers into what is right.
rapman you did your homework and I congratulate you for that.
thanks, friend, but google has done the work for a few years. i just learned how to save it. man, i love your state too. the sooner my company closes down our shop, the sooner i can move south.
OutLaw...because I am an educator, I see it from the inside out as well as from outside, within. The problem that gov't has placed on the public education system is creating an "atmosphere" where talented, dedicated teachers are LEAVING becasue they are talented and going into the private sector where they can: 1) make more money and 2) be rewarded for their effort.
You are correct in your statement that parents needs to provide proper training to their children before they get to school. However, there are hundreds of thousands of kindergarteners that start school w/o knowing what a BOOK is!
Our problem is that the parents that are considered at the poverty level either work two, sometimes three jobs just to keep the lights on. How do they have the time to read a book? Some stay at home and sit on the couch and do , nada. They do not see the value of an education and they pass that complacenecy on to thier children, and there childrens children, and so on.
My job is to break that cycle in my school, my state, and our country in the next 30-40 years unless I otherwise die first.
The Hound
rapman1, you are right. It's hard to argue with facts. America definitely needs a change from the way things have turned. My biggest problem/fear is just how far the other way things may be headed. We could all argue forever on why our candidate was better than the other, and find facts to show why the other guy is wrong. In the end, we'd probably have equal lists of stupid things each has done or said, and still no clear better choice. It's over and done. The country has spoken. All we can do now is wait and see. And go fishing. Don't know if anyone noticed, but fall is here. Crappie are bitin', and they don't care who's president.
AMEN! Speck. Going Saturday!
You're a purty smart guy to live in Ohio! :D
The Hound
My biggest problem/fear is just how far the other way things may be headed.
ain't that the truth...happened with clinton in 93, bush through 6 years, and now possibly with the new administration. we don't seem to do well when one party has all the power. all we can do is hope that obama can put together a bi-partinson government. it has already been rumored that he will ask gates to stay on and possibly put colin powell (great choice) into a cabinet position. with a mix of repubs and dems, maybe he can make a change for the better. all we can do is pray and write our legislators and force them to do their jobs with integrity or vote them out.
I applaud your efforts Hound,I have the utmost respect for the teachers I've had over the years to take a old hard head like me and challenge me to learn. I used to say at a young age I graduated from the school of hard knocks ,that is, until I entered college and found out what hard knocks really meant.lol
College...wow! What an eye opener! Made me quit and join the military...liked it but it drove me back to school. LOL! Now I have a job that is worse than college and tougher than the military! Ohhh, how I love it! :D
The Hound
,I have the utmost respect for the teachers
amen, one of the hardest and most underpaid of all professions. (along with cops, firemen and the military). it takes a special person to be able to teach all different levels of kids each day and to maintain patience. i know i could not do it. kudos to all educators, all levels.
My appolgies to teachers as I don't feel all or even most are bad. I do feel that the Unions protect the ones that should have been ran off. Sorry to offend the good teachers. I just took teachers as one of the people that outlaw said needed Government help. Truth is, there are llamas in every trade, no matter what their job, or pay is. You can find the worthless from the bottom to the top. I have my days of messing up and can and do readily admit to it. I still have a problem with those who can never admit to anything. Hey, address the problem, repair it, and move foward. Once again Hound, Cork and other teachers/educators, sorry, didn't mean to make it sound as if teachers are the problem. It's everywhere.
True, I didn't know just how handcuffed the teachers are. I think everything went south when they took out swats. Must be a tough job and many days of feeling more like a glorified babysitter. Let me tell you, it's the same outside of the schools in the workforce. Most small business owners, managers, and departmental managers find themselves trying to get the best out of their employees who are adults. They have to walk a fine line to keep the help as productive as possible, while not "upsetting" them, or hurting their feelings. Otherwise the "adult" becomes less productive than they were before. How many people are on someone elses time right now, and reading this post while they should be earning the wage they are working for?Quote:
Originally Posted by CrappieHound
For the most part, their are quite a bit of Americans who don't know what work is, and have never learned how to work. Now, it seems as if the lazy, have voted in a Saviour to take from those who worked hard for what they have, and pass it around to others who by no means deserve it. Gotta love freedom.
No offense taken. Most people don't understand our Educational System as it is today. When people hear the word school their mind naturally goes back to their most recent experience. School of ten years ago is no more. Students don't learn like we did. The teacher sat at her desk and the students did work. Questions were permitted but some teachers would treat you as if you weren't smart enough to get it...on your own!
Effective classrooms today are interactive, teachers create interest and facilitate instruction, while students take control of their own learning. It is very different picture because students today learn differently.
I agree, I know teachers that need to be let go. They are antiquated, dinosaurs that pull the "excitement" out of learning. This is my year to be tenured at my school and I have been told that will happen. To be honest, I'm not skipping around because of that fact. I know why the practice of TENURE was put into place and it has it's good and bad points.
If I ever feel like I can not teach and reach my students, neither my principal nor the public will have to ask me to leave. I will leave on my own. Teaching is one of the most complex, difficult, and rewarding jobs in the world. You never get ahead...the dishes are always dirty no matter how long you stay up and clean and wash and dry them.
I wish that more of you would go into your public school systems and "see" what is happening. You may be suprised.
My invitation extends to anyone. You pm me and I will let you follow me around all you want. It will be an expereince you will soon not forget.
Sorry about the rant on education. It's my passion.
The Hound
Well we must be reading some different material Rapman 1, but thank you sir for your civility and props...and back at ya on the gentleman comment!:) I will research the info you provided for my own enlightenment. Thank you.Code:minnow, i have been through Georgia a few times in my life, and i have to give you your props, sir....you are every bit the gentleman that i have run into down there. again, thanks for your civility and i too will pray that God guides our new president and our lawmakers into what is right.
one thing before i hit the rack tonight. i am completely fed up with bush, but not as a man, but what i see as failure. when it came down to clinton, i had the same feeling about him. he could have prevented a lot of the free trade agreements that so hurt the industrial sectors of this country, but chose not to. so i hold both bush and clinton in the highest contempt. i love this country and the people, i just have a disdain for the few hundred in d.c. that make our policies and change our lives. have a good night.
Good info rapman, though I'm sure most will challenge it's validity on this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by rapman1
rapman stated:
It was the Gramm Leach Bliley Act that allowed banks to deal in mortgage-backed securities. Without passage of the GLBA by a Republican-controlled Congress, the subprime mess couldn't have happened. Chief architect of the GLBA? John McCain's economic adviser, Phil Gramm. Yes, that Phil Gramm. The GLBA was passed on a vote split along party lines (John McCain voted "aye," by the way).
That aint exactly what happened. The Senate bill passed along a party line vote. As Stated. The House also had its own bill that they passed. The bill then moved to a conference committee to work out the differences between the Senate and House versions. Democrats agreed to support the bill after Republicans agreed to strengthen provisions of the anti-redlining Community Reinvestment Act and address certain privacy concerns; the conference committee then finished its work by the beginning of November
On November 4, the final bill resolving the differences was passed by the Senate 90-8 [7] and by the House 362-57.[8] This legislation was signed into law by Democratic President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999.
You would have us think that this is a strictly republican issue but that just is not the case. Looks like most were on board with this issue.
The Community Reinvestment Act (or CRA, Pub.L. 95-128, title VIII, 91 Stat. 1147, 12 U.S.C. § 2901 et seq.) is a United States federal law designed to encourage commercial banks and savings associations to meet the needs of borrowers in all segments of their communities, including low- and moderate-income neighborhoods.[1][2][3] The Act was intended to reduce discriminatory credit practices against such neighborhoods, a practice known as 'redlining'.[4] The Act requires the appropriate federal financial supervisory agencies to encourage regulated financial institutions to meet the credit needs of the local communities in which they are chartered, consistent with safe and sound operation. (See full text of Act and current regulations.[5]) To enforce the statute, federal regulatory agencies examine banking institutions for CRA compliance, and take this information into consideration when approving applications for new bank branches or for mergers or acquisitions.[6]
The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.
Now there is a nice start to the new electorate. Sounds like something from the middle 1930's to me.
You would have us think that this is a strictly republican issue but that just is not the case. Looks like most were on board with this issue.
could not agree more. in fact, that was my point. as with the iraq war, this bill was the the work of both parties and in the end it hurt all of us. we always pay the price. what bothered me was the author of this bill, his roll then and his roll had mccain one. this is the guy that that called us all crybabies, wasn't it? hope you all have a good day.
Do have to admit I am not Gramm fan as in Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Act.
well I finally did it I read all 4 pages. got a head ace from it too. learned a little got confused a lot. thanks, hope it all works out, this pollitical stuff.
didnt read all the posts but my summary is this.the biggest failure in this country is in the home.we are failing to teach from day one.the lack of a good home,good morals and ethics being taught,LACK OF RELIGION where the best of all this comes from saddens me.it doesnt matter if it is health care,money ,food,education,dicipline we expect someone else to take care of it for us.we are mostly as a nation completely spoiled.we need to (keep our eye on the mark) trudge foward and do our fair share to make this nation a better place and teach someone else while we are doing it especially our own from day one.this would go a long way for solving any problem any where.please pray for our country and everything else they will always need it.
Don't worry there just listen to Chris Matthews who is now out there working to make BHO's presidency work because NOW we need a successful presidency. Its very ironic that he didn't think we needed a successful presidency last year! This is just so amazing read it or play it.Quote:
Originally Posted by beagle man
Matthews: My Job Is To Make Obama Presidency a Success | NewsBusters.org
I am a 53 year old white man.I am sickend by some of the comments I have heard.( not here but by some small minded people)We have had 8 years of disappoitment .It is time for a change.Our govenrment NEEDS to take of all us hard working folks,The firefighters ,the police the teachers and mostly our military.Not fill all there pockets and they rich freinds pockets.I do not judge people by they'er race ,color or religion. A human is a human.Till someone, "steps on my toes" I make no judgment.That's the way I was brought up. God bless,I hope he can fix the mess were are in. I love this country and there is no better in the world!
Well said CrazyJoe!!!
well, I've read thru every single post from this thread,, took a while ta get thru all the wayy out there posts but if thats the way ya'll feel about this matter.. its OK by me, I dont wanna change yer mind on any thing ya'll believe in or even sound like I'm try'n ta change yer mind...
I'm hear just post'n ta rack up my post count....hahhahahahhahahahahahahaa
JAKE
Jake lmao. I will look forward to more posts from you. hehe