How to Really Solve Our Financial Crisis

America became great by creating industries that built machines and developed new technology to pick those beans so that a man didn't have to pick them.

CR,I am attached you could say to the construction trade though it's been some years since I worked in the field for a living. I have been writing print programs for variable data stuff like billing and such and running a print business for the last five years (using the brain instead of the back finally) but that company has now mived to mexico and while I was offered the chance to move there and continue with the company I chose to stay here and look for something new. I'll more than likely end up back in the construction trade competeing with illegals, but I still wont blame them because i know where the blame actually lies.

i was using beans as an example there is some farm products you just cant make machines for such as apples and oranges, grapes etc. and noone has answered whether they would be willing to pay double or triple for farm products. cause in the long run thats what would happen if there wasnt this cheap supply of labor.. not saying its right or anything... shoot to me we could get the darn convicts off there butts that are getting free vacation in our jails and put them to work cheap or make the welfare crowd do it but it wont happen.. its just some things in this country were built on cheap labor and the cost of living prevents most americans from actually doing it

I'll answer your question John,if the influx of illegals driving down the wages of the working class of Americans was dealt with and a stop put to it ,wages would be where they should be.And we all would be able to pay the price.Then it would reverted back to the way it has been for years,migrant workers here on a work visa,where the Goverment or state can keep up with who's here and where they are at.And if there not where they are suppose to be or over stay there time they get deported.Not a free run of our country.

lol roy there has always been illegal workers here, there is not a time to revert back to that they werent here

I don't believe I implied they were "never" here. I stated that they were migrant workers with green cards and could be tracked (to a degree) and sent back to their own country.
A quick trip to the Georgia, Alabama and the Tennessee area would be helpful in getting a complete picture as to how things really are. It is easy to have a free-wheeling opinion when you are not in the middle of the largest influx of illegal workers. I'm sure a trip to California would also do the trick. Then I would certainly be interested in an "informed" opinion from you.

Illegal Immigrant Workers Do More Harm Than Good
By Robert Klein Engler (12/16/04)


Many employers mistakenly believe there is nothing wrong with hiring illegal immigrants to work in the U. S., especially illegal immigrants from Mexico. These employers contend that, "Illegal Mexicans are hard workers and they improve our way of life." This argument may be based on personal experience, but it is not the greater truth based on facts. When seen from a broader, national perspective, illegal immigrant workers do more harm to U. S. society than they do good.

Most people have the personal experience of seeing the sun rise and set. Nevertheless, if asked to explain our experience of sunrise and sunset, most people today would say that such an experience is an illusion. If we learn astronomy or travel far enough above the earth, then we see that the earth rotates on its axis, giving the impression that the sun moves above us.

Likewise, if we become familiar with the data about illegal immigration to the U. S., then we have to conclude that the personal experience of a hard working and low paid illegal, Mexican immigrant helping to improve our society is an illusion. When seen on a national scale, the impact of illegal immigration from Mexico is more harmful than beneficial. Illegal immigration from Mexico is not a sunrise or the dawning of a new business day, instead it is a revolution that turns to disaster.

Although it may seem to those who hire illegal immigrants that no harm is being done to the nation, the increasing number of low paid immigrants in the U. S. means, among other things, increasing taxes for welfare payments. A Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) report states that, "Not only do immigrants use welfare programs at higher rates than natives, their use of the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) is also substantially higher than that of natives... Persons receiving the EITC pay no federal income tax and instead receive cash assistance from the government..."

The CIS report goes on to say, "Mexican use of means-tested programs remains high even after welfare reform. Despite welfare reform and a strong economy in the latter half of the 1990s ...immigrants in general and Mexican households in particular use every major means-tested program at higher rates than natives. Mexican households...use of TANF/general assistance, food stamps, Medicaid, and the subsidized school lunch program is dramatically higher than households headed by natives."

The Federation for American Immigration Reform adds more evidence to why illegal immigrant workers are harmful in the long term to U. S. society. (FAIR) sums up a report by the National Academy of Science on immigration this way: "Immigration is the driving force behind rapid population growth, immigration has a negative impact on lower-skilled, less-educated Americans, immigration is exacerbating the wealth gap, immigration has contributed to the increase in high school dropouts, immigrant-headed households use more in government services than they contribute in state and local taxes, and immigration is a substantial tax burden to native households, especially in states with large immigrant populations..."

Writing about the cost of illegal immigration in a recent issue of Fortune magazine, senior editor Geoffrey Colvin echoes many of the NAS conclusions. Colvin writes, "This is big trouble for a couple of reasons, the first being simple economics. Illegal immigrants don't pay taxes but do consume government services, especially medical care and education."

Colvin adds, "The full economic effects are much wider. Employers who hire illegals pay them cash and thus evade employment taxes. They may also not report revenue from the work the illegals do and thus evade income taxes. Companies that compete with these employers must cut their own costs, mostly by paying their own workers (regardless of status) lower cash wages under the table, and the tax evasion spreads further."

By some estimates, services to illegal immigrants will cost the state of Illinois $500 million a year. This is in a state that faces a budget crisis similar to the one in California. The Migration Policy Institute estimates that there are over 500,000 illegal immigrants living in Illinois. Many of them are getting welfare payments of one kind or another.

Furthermore, FAIR reports that, "Illinois authorities requested compensation of $36.4 million from the federal government for the incarceration of illegal aliens in state and local jails and prisons in FY '99 (under the federal State Criminal Alien Assistance Program, or SCAAP), but it received only $14 million in compensation, leaving $22.4 million in uncompensated costs to be borne by Illinois taxpayers." In 2005, all these costs will increase.

Don't be fooled by those who say the cheap labor of illegal immigrants comes cheaply. A $20 meal in downtown Chicago, with 9% tax and 15% tip will cost you about $25. Residents and tourists to Chicago alike are already paying not only to eat but to subsidize the illegal Mexican busboy who makes $5 an hour and cleans the table after they leave it.

In the short term, a rancher in Texas or a restaurant owner in Chicago may win by employing low paid and illegal immigrants from Mexico. Yet, in the long term, our country as a whole loses by the presence of these illegal workers. One by one, like the incessant drip of water into a bucket, a quantitative increase in the numbers of illegal immigrants produces a qualitative change in the nation. It doesn't take long for the bucket or the nation to overflow.

Those who argue for open borders are like those who believe the sun actually rises and sets. Personal experience may show them illegal immigrants who work hard, but from a larger national perspective, we see that more harm than good is done by employing these illegal immigrants. In the long term, secure borders, deportation and sound immigration policies are best for our nation. To these ends, employers should put patriotism before profits.

This report is old, it's much worse now. John, don't you live in Illinois? Wouldn't 500 mil into the State coffers help?

Jim Brown
OneNewsNow.com
February 22, 2007


Illegal aliens are killing more Americans than the Iraq war, says a new report from Family Security Matters that estimates some 2,158 murders are committed every year by illegal aliens in the U.S. The group says that number is more than 15 percent of all the murders reported by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the U.S. and about three times the representation of illegal aliens in the general population.

Here's a story answer to Johnh claims that food prices would go higher without the illegal worker.
http://www.parapundit.com/archives/003406.html

Here's another one John,
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...gesofagworkers

How Eisenhower solved illegal border
crossings from Mexico
By John Dillin
WASHINGTON
George W. Bush isn't the first Republican president to face a full-blown immigration crisis on the
US-Mexican border.
Fifty-three years ago, when newly elected Dwight Eisenhower moved into the White House,
America's southern frontier was as porous as a spaghetti sieve. As many as 3 million illegal
migrants had walked and waded northward over a period of several years for jobs in California,
Arizona, Texas, and points beyond.
President Eisenhower cut off this illegal traffic. He did it quickly and decisively with only 1,075
United States Border Patrol agents - less than one-tenth of today's force. The operation is still
highly praised among veterans of the Border Patrol.
Although there is little to no record of this operation in Ike's official papers, one piece of historic
evidence indicates how he felt. In 1951, Ike wrote a letter to Sen. William Fulbright (D) of
Arkansas. The senator had just proposed that a special commission be created by Congress to
examine unethical conduct by government officials who accepted gifts and favors in exchange for
special treatment of private individuals.
General Eisenhower, who was gearing up for his run for the presidency, said "Amen" to Senator
Fulbright's proposal. He then quoted a report in The New York Times, highlighting one paragraph
that said: "The rise in illegal border-crossing by Mexican 'wetbacks' to a current rate of more than
1,000,000 cases a year has been accompanied by a curious relaxation in ethical standards
extending all the way from the farmer-exploiters of this contraband labor to the highest levels of
the Federal Government."
Years later, the late Herbert Brownell Jr., Eisenhower's first attorney general, said in an interview
with this writer that the president had a sense of urgency about illegal immigration when he took
office.
America "was faced with a breakdown in law enforcement on a very large scale," Mr. Brownell
said. "When I say large scale, I mean hundreds of thousands were coming in from Mexico [every
year] without restraint."
Although an on-and-off guest-worker program for Mexicans was operating at the time, farmers
and ranchers in the Southwest had become dependent on an additional low-cost, docile, illegal
labor force of up to 3 million, mostly Mexican, laborers.

I trust everyone who took the time to read the things I posted are somewhat more enlightened about the subject.

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Originally Posted by roybuoy

I don't believe I implied they were "never" here. I stated that they were migrant workers with green cards and could be tracked (to a degree) and sent back to their own country.
A quick trip to the Georgia, Alabama and the Tennessee area would be helpful in getting a complete picture as to how things really are. It is easy to have a free-wheeling opinion when you are not in the middle of the largest influx of illegal workers. I'm sure a trip to California would also do the trick. Then I would certainly be interested in an "informed" opinion from you.

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i lived in texas for 8 years and san diego for 2 i now live in illinois in the middle of corn and soy fields so trust me i have an informed opinion.