Looking forward to using these have basically been the best fishermen through last 35 years using a 7 1/2 foot flipping stick quite a bit. But this 12 footer makes that Flippin stick look like a toothpick. Initially bought the 12 foot rod for spider rigging in a rod holder. But have since thought of other presentations it would be used. Quietly place in the lure in small openings in a vertical presentation. With about 6 to 10 feet of line hanging from the rod too. No longer a need to cast the lure.