Hey tear em up, we keep talking about going south, maybe we got our directions screwed up check out the New York Board a title for Black Lake. Thats up by my friend who lives on the St Lawrence, he hunts on that lake and I know he fishes, and ice fishes on the St Lawrence, wonder if he knows what he has right in his back yard?? I'll have to email him. I got lots of connections up there have to do a bit more exploring.