Finally figured I post these up. Got em bout a week ago. Gorgeous dark males 11-12" long and in my highly populated area them are good ones! No one else could catch em and figure em out that day. Males were sittin on nests. Had to stir em up and make em mad to get a bite. Fun stuff. I ended up spot fishin these. Only took enough for a meal as my ole man taught me but what a good time.