Thanks again everybody for the information, I have learned a lot. For the Trac users, thanks for your input, I will check them out. I have to measure and make sure I can fit it in the back of my boat. I think it will work even with the rod holder there. It sure would be great and a lot better than me hand cranking them up like I used to do. It I like it I will probably buy one for the front if I can find room. The front will be a lot harder to mount with the I-Pilot and the Lowrance taking up a lot of room. Thanks so much it is great to pick up input and not have go hope so much when buying gear. Have they been pretty reliable for ya'll so far? I know they come with a two year warranty. Wes