GREED! It is what is degrading our fisheries. Tell me all those fish are going to be properly processed and eaten. Eventually, Serious bag and possession limits will be enacted.
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GREED! It is what is degrading our fisheries. Tell me all those fish are going to be properly processed and eaten. Eventually, Serious bag and possession limits will be enacted.
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by huntinslabs
True again. :)Quote:
You can not have possession limit in livewell. Alive is considered days catch.
Not true, at least in Florida. This will get you busted and fined.Quote:
Can have a limit in cooler on ice and a limit in livewell.
Again, no so in Florida.Quote:
Processed cleaned and frozen does not apply to possession limit unless you transport again.
I posted the actual law. I'm not sure where you got all the "cleaned and frozen" exceptions you mentioned. It is NOT in the law, again, posted above. If you have any specific cites where what you say above can actually be seen, I would appreciate a look.
Tom
I don't like cleaning a fish under 15 inches, if I keep any specks they get donated to grandma s house ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by sunshine
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Again, I'm not going to go back and forth on this on an internet forum. I have a neighbor who's an FWC officer, I'll fess up and give him permission to search my freezer next time I see him and report back. :cheers2Quote:
Originally Posted by T_om
If there were 7 guys on the boat, it no doubt got to the point only a few were fishing, with others keeping up on the count and whatever.
And not necessarily as in "thats the last one for you Joe".
Awfully hard to control this type thing without boat limits, and otherwise they broke no law.
Better yet, just ask him where in the law it says you can have an unlimited number of gamefish in your possession, as long as they are frozen.Quote:
Originally Posted by sunshine
Tom
The law doesn't grant permissions, it restricts.Quote:
Originally Posted by T_om
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Originally Posted by Orion_70
Maybe highlighting will help you. And I am done with this one.
That's the best quote I've heard in awhile!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by sunshine
Hopefully a representative from FWC will see this photo and investigate these guys !!
There is no reason for it except for bragging & unfortunately social media has made it easier for people to put themselves in the spot light.:banghead
I think it’s a sad when a group of sportsman are shamed for having a successful trip by a group of sportsman that should congratulate one another for a great day. Especially when all FL game laws were followed. 7 men in 3 boats. I also know for certain that all fish were properly cleaned and will be enjoyed by themselves and their families.
I shamed no one in my post. In fact I said "I'm glad they had a good day"Quote:
Originally Posted by DBELL
I think they should have kept that photo among friends, not posted it on the Net.
My opinion.. everyone has one.
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(Was there an indian in that group beating a drum) ??????
In general we seem to be the first ones to criticize. Not just crappie fisherman or just this forum but I see it a lot. Yonder I wasn’t trying to point a finger at anyone in particular and I apologize I didn’t mean it to seem that way. This is a great place with many great people.
I think it's awesome!! How deep were y'all fishin?Quote:
Originally Posted by DBELL
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Deeper than the others around. 14’ or so.
Cool. I'm gonna try out my new simrad this weekend if work allowsQuote:
Originally Posted by DBELL
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This is an example of what I was talking about in another thread. While they may have been legal, our resources can't sustain lots of fishermen doing this a few nights a week on a given body of water. Boat limits would be a great idea.
This thread is a good example of what this forum is. Agreements, disagreements, good information, useless information, and a lot of conversation. However, it has not escalated into embarrassing slandering of opinions/facts or each other.
Just sayin...
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Natural corks anyone......
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Well there are a billion specks in that river, those guys just picked up the slack where I can't take it up lol. These fish have a pretty high turnover rate. Bill dance himself calls them rabbits of the fish world. I don't thing a few guys that hammer them are gonna hurt it when majority of people throw most back and limit themselves. It's not like we see a pic like that every day ya know, I'm just sayin
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It's a good thing we don't see pics like that everyday or there wouldn't be any left for our kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taterlicious
Thinks about all the people that do it & don't post pics or show anyone:dono
Lots of folks are worried about what everyone else is doing. There's also SPECK-ulation (see what I did there?) about number of guys on the boat, whether the fish were cleaned/eaten, etc. As long as the anglers acted within the law, who cares? What's the difference between seven guys in the same boat limiting out versus seven guys fishing separately limiting out? What about the guy who crappie fishes four times a year and keeps four limits versus the guy that fishes 40 times a year and keeps six fish every trip? Is any one of those options better than the others? I've talked to fishermen that, in one sentence, condemn anglers for keeping small fish ("Give 'em a chance to grow up!"), then turn around in the next sentence and condemn other anglers for keeping big fish ("They're the breeders!"). All I'm saying is, a lot of folks do a lot of assuming and worrying about what everyone else is up to. Let's enjoy this pastime without jumping to unfounded conclusions and criticism. Good fishing to all of you!
Amen brother :hands clapping
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Hey guys good job. I was blasted a couple of years back that is why I really do not post on hear that much. Not trying to start anything, but if a couple of guys are having a good time good. How many on here have kept a limit over the years every time you went fishing add that up and I guarantee it is mor3 than this haul. Again congrats not trying to start anything. As long as there were no laws broken what is the problem. Just my 2 cents.
Look guys, don't take me wrong. We're all there for success, whether it's catching big ones for a tournament or putting some in the freezer for a cookout. I have hunted and fished this state my entire life and try my hardest to succeed whether it's hunting or fishing but doesn't always mean I shoot everything I see or keep everything I catch. Not saying that's what these guys are doing but in a state that makes a dollar on every resource possible it sometimes saddens yet worries me more when it seems over harvesting is done. In the end that's the greatest thing about this site and for that matter the great ole USA, we can discuss or dispute things and normally do it in a calm manner which is what has been done here. So maybe I'm wrong for my opinion but we all look at things different and in the end we're all there to enjoy the outdoors with family and friends. So congratulations but remember sometimes it's more enjoyable to conserve than to take in the end:twocents:ThumbsUp
Fishermen are a lot like deer hunters.
Unless you do it their way or share their opinions, it's wrong and you'll be criticized.
It's why we continually see a reduction in rights and opportunities. We're so quick to beg for big .gov to step in and enforce our viewpoints on others. We already have the antis and the tree huggers out there, then we further divide ourselves into smaller segments and point fingers and ask for more regulations on the other guy.
When's Enough, Enough? I'm all for a size and a Creel Limit adjustment.
That's what all the guides and tournament fishermen kept saying about redfish, snook, etc. Now it's hardly worth fishing inshore saltwater unless it's in your backyard or you really like trout.Quote:
Originally Posted by crappieslayer60
That's what all the horn hunters said about deer hunting. Now we have a 3 on one side antler regulation almost everywhere, a ton of "deer management units" with different regulations when you cross the road. Almost no doe harvest and a terrible quota system. And based on the harvest data, it hasn't changed a whole lot.
I didn't deer hunt a single time this year, and I know plenty of other people who have given up deer hunting in Florida altogether and even more that buy a lease in Georgia and carry their money up there.
^^^^^^ This, Florida has some great resources, but horrible resource managers. From the water quality problems to forestry management, we need help. Rock Springs and Seminole Forrest have been destroyed by current managers. Seminole Forrest mgr wants to return it to 1700 era forest which was all pine and Rock Springs is managing for Scrub Jays. Well thats all fine except Timiquan and Alaqua Subdivisions were not there in 1700's and was all hardwood bottomland to provide food sources and cover for wildlife. Thats why I said I pray they listen to actual biologists who have solid research to back the plan and a solid plan going forward, not some kneejerk reaction. Last thing we need is to under harvest Crappie and have them become stunted from overpopulation. If sound management says reduce creel and slot them ok great, but make sure its right. But some reactions are reckless, a person fishing 1 a week or 2 times a month keeping a limit is doing no harm and less even than someone fishing 3 times a week and keeping 10 a trip. Back to biggest problem is people fishing and selling catch and repeat 2 times a day. Snowbirds coming down and going home with 2500 filets. Spend some time in campgrounds and you can see the abuse is evident. Why would someone from South Carolina stay at Monroe Park campground and have 2 chest freezers in his truck bed pulling in, 2 days later they are both on ground and plugged in. The snowbirds in Oak Hill fill freezers with shrimp and head home. Go down to Sebastian and they are loaded with Redfish, go to Northbeach and they are loaded with redfish and flounder. Go to Crescent and they are loaded with Crappie, go to Talquin and they are loaded with Crappie But the state has to catch them in transit home to enforce the possession law. In campground they are processed food. Raise out of state fishing license to match traveling states highest liscense rate for hunting or fishing. It costs almost $400.00 to hunt deer in South Carolina, make out of state fishing liscense for folks visiting from South Carolina $400.00 etc. Want a 3 day liscense to enjoy a short trip down, make that more affordable because they likely dont have a freezer to fill in 3 days or go home selling fish.
As for the deer hunting comparison, I lived and hunted in a state for 64 years that was and still is among the top 3 states in the country for license sales. Opening day of buck season was an unofficial holiday across the state. All schools, statewide, were closed for 3 days when I went to school.
I still travel the 1200 miles each way every year and buy a non res license to hunt there. A major reason is that Pa has over 5 million acres of open public land to walk around on without asking permission. And in the region ive always hunted there are steep ridges, which relate well to the type hunting we prefer. But I hear exactly the same arguments coming from people there. 40 years ago you could ride around on a rainy day on the many many miles of back country dirt roads and count 100 deer with no problem. Today you might ride the whole day and see none.
There are also antler restrictions in place now which have mixed reactions among different groups.
For the 72 seasons ive now been hunting, our camp is and has always been bucks only. I have been told many times over those many years that we just cant shoot them off during the short seasons we have. But you know what? they did, at least in certain areas they did, especially where it was easier hunting. Pickup trucks piled high with doe, shot by groups of hunters driving them from patches of woods to waiting standers. Guys with Rem 760 pumps and special 10 round magazines would commonly shoot far more than the one deer they were entitled to. But they all got tagged by somebody in the group. And today these are the type guys moaning the loudest over the game commission mishandling of the deer management. As for those managers, at least imop, they are government workers not unlike other government workers in most respects. How long till I can (fully) retire and collect the bennys.
I grew up deer hunting in Indiana, which is a different ballgame than here in Florida for sure. Indiana allows up to 10 does (depending on your county) and 1 buck to be harvested per year. The deer hunting is fantastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by yobuck
I was curious about your statements so I did some research, Penn State seems to have a different belief regarding the deer herd status in PA. As you pointed out though, isolated areas may experience differences compared to statewide statistics so what you have experienced might not extrapolate across the state. White-Tailed Deer
Without digging too far deep into it, most current science supports sustainable doe harvest as the best way to manage deer herds. Breaking tradition and "this is how we've always done it" mentality is near impossible though.
Im not sure that comparing deer tag costs with fishing license cost is a fair comparison, I see lots of Florida plates in Illinois and West Ky in October and November too. They arent fishing. I agree that something has to be done about the possession rules though. I keep enough for a few meals, not a 100 person sportsmans banquet. Take lots of pictures and toss a bunch back.
I have mixed feelings on it. Tons of folks from GA (and elsewhere, just using it as an example) come down here to enjoy our fishing at a very reasonable price. For me to go hunt Georgia it cost $400 for a season or $170 for ONE DAY.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northforker
For nonresident fishing licenses in Florida, its $17 for a 3 day, or $50 for an annual. For nonresident hunting it's $150 annual or $50 for 10 day . Only way a nonresident gets screwed in Florida is if you want to kill a gator at $1,000 for the tag.
Not to mention, every place you stop in GA on the way to deer camp or to resupply you get to hear an earful about "dang Floridiots comin here to kill our deer." lmao
We have saltwater fish with no harvest season, limited harvest seasons, tiny slot limits, etc as a result of people (from all over) abusing the resource and it being limited. Yet we continue to encourage more and more of it. Seems other states value their residents and resources for their residents more than Florida does.
Another consideration is we have no income tax, likely because of our large amount of tax revenue generated via tourism and snowbirds having second, third homes, etc.
I guess Florida could institute an income tax to replace all that zillions of snow bird dollars, er um, that dog won't hunt.
Every RV park, hotel, restaurant, store, guides, etc, etc, etc would be out of business without tourists.
Florida has 2 fishing licenses, so if you like it salty and fresh, you pay twice.
Best solution I can come up with is to do what Mississippi did, put a 12 inch min size limit on crappie and a 15 or 20 per day creel limit and 2 day bag limit is the most you can have in the freezer. Or maybe 100 fish max in the freezer. Eat em or release em. Respect the resource.
I love fishing here and not freezing my butt off, the wildlife is amazing, the people in the RV park from all over are great, the food is good, SNOW is a four letter word
I do feel that FL is definitely low on the cost of their license especially for NON-residents when compared to other states, going up could help change someone's mind from taking too much but then it could cause them to do it more because they paid more, would they feel entitled to more?? :dono
Most of our possession limits are very lenient for fish & deer so maybe that's why FWC is proposing a Black Crappie Management program & did what they did to the deer harvest rules, the thing is no matter how the laws change - the people that follow it will continue to do so & those that don't will still do what they want & until they get caught then they may think twice the next time.
This has always been so, it's the Mickey Mouse mentality - come here, use us & leave all your money (tourism) then when your gone & in the off season we'll rely on the residents who live here all year to support us. I love this state and all it has to offer but never really liked the way it's run & probably never will but that's the way it goes in paradise, take the good with the bad & make the best of it. I really hope that in 20 years my kid has clean water to fish in & enough fish to be caught, along with land to hunt on like I did when I was growing up.Quote:
Seems other states value their residents and resources for their residents more than Florida does.
One thing for sure, I am no threat to the Crappie population.
Well the guides and tourism to saltwater fish have already taken a beating. First was grouper and snapper closures. Now the water quality issues. Ponce Inlet in 1995 had 43 6 pack charter boats and 9 head boats. Less than 13 6 pack charters are left and 3 headboats. That percentage pretty much holds down the coast and into gulf. Water quality inshore in southeast and southwest have killed the inshore guides. Being in construction I see where the dollars are pointed. Short term rentals catering to foreign travelers are getting attention. Campgrounds are filled year round not just winter when snowbirds are down. 15 years ago I could look on Wednesdays for weekend trips, if I am not looking 6 months or longer out now I keep my camper parked. So if raising out of state fishing liscense to say 300 for year can't be budgeted in when planning a 5 month stay in a campground or resort so be it. And I by no means am saying every person camping is doing it but it is rampant in some areas. Raising liscense fees for tourists would certainly help put a few more LEO in boats and enforce everyone. The black market on fish needs to be handled as well.
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Not for lack of effort :RoflQuote:
Originally Posted by lonehunter