I have some of the Shimano Slade that is no longer made. If you buy the Shimano's I hope you like em. I've had mine over 10 years and still use em all the time. Wore the gears out of 1 out of 8. Have caught Redfish, Seatrout and anything else I had a mind to chase. Money well spent. I have others that may be different in some way or another but these just keep going.