All three of these baits in 2 or 3 inch would be killer on a local lake here in Ohio. This color combo seems to just kill the big crappie.
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All three of these baits in 2 or 3 inch would be killer on a local lake here in Ohio. This color combo seems to just kill the big crappie.
I'm shooting the tail color in full baits, but where we differ Bob is that I cut a slice off the rear of the body. This allows for a super good weld when the tails get the next color. Sunfish love to smack the tails rip them off regardless of how good the weld is when just that thin ribbon is being welded.
I just slowly open the mold keeping baits on one side of the mold. Hold down on the tail and pull the body off. What I call slow probably isn't slow to others. I was doing a lot of baits in a round. I was doing a minimum of 200 cavities in a round which is 20 molds of the flapjack. Anytime a tail would stick to the wrong side just slowed the process. Best thing I found was to wipe the top side every other shoot with a good cotton rag.
I believe you're right no matter what you do to that tail the fish are going to eat it. I believe that we are doing the same thing as far as 2 colors go.Quote:
Originally Posted by CTom
you don't have to slowly open the molds the way I do it too bad we didn't live closer I would definitely show you what I'm talking about but I think you know pretty well what I'm talking about I didn't know you had that many of that flip Jack molds we might pick up three more of the what I call the Texas wiggler. three more of the 2.5 and we are thinking about going to the bigger ones I would like to see this one in a 6 inch use it drop shopping for bass.Quote:
Originally Posted by RonDon
You were not playing....?.you were quite serious. You and Bob are good. Both of you will be responsible for sending crappie to the dentist to get metal removed from their mouth after they eat your products guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by "G"
Y'all got skills!
Bob, I believe your Texas wiggler will outperform your icecicle line. Back in Ohio I used the fish with a ribbon tail like that on Lake Erie by the Sandusky power plant and it would knock the snot out of the Walleye.
Thank you Mike they been doing really good out here West on everything that even looked at it we caught a wide variety of different fish.Quote:
Originally Posted by shipahoy41
Its nice to see you back Ship!
good to see ya posting Ship
Actually the bait is nothing like Mikes, in action or looks. The bait is designed by me from the ground up without going in to boring details about how liquid move neutral properties and blah blah blah this bait perfected what others over looked . Attention to details is what makes this bait. I've been obsessed with lure design since childhood and studying how baits move in water. This bait was years in the design process. It may look like a simple design but there are several aspects of this bait that if over looked or not done right it would be just another paddle tail. There are many baits that are amazing fish catchers like the one Mike makes but compared side by side the Mo magic makes em all disappears :@)Quote:
Originally Posted by SW CrappieHunter
ctom poured these up to match some jig heads I painted and they match great!!!!!!!
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...f/100_6792.jpg
Also have some from Snake - even with the wind blowing today took them out and the bait guys were ready to strangle me!!!!!!! Best color today was the new penny head with orange irredescent glitter and the matching body from ctom.
They didn't play around they took it!!!!!! Ended up catching 16 bass and of all things I haven't seen this year a rainbow trout!!!!!!! and stupid here forgot the camera today!!!!! DA!!!!!!
If you're thinking about getting some just do it, they work really well!!!!!!!!!!!
Loving this mold. Crappie around here are eating this combo up like it's candy.
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Went out again yesterday and the bait guys wanted to KILL me!!!!!! I ended up with 26 bass from little ones up to a 2 1/2 lber. I even moved from my first spot and let the bait guys fish it and went back down the shore line and kept catching while they didn't get bit.
The pics are on my cell phone and of course since I have an old flip style you need an external card to download them - so I sent them to my wife as a multimedia and they still haven't gone through yet!!
Got a couple on the pink and pearl but it was still the newpenny/irredescent orange glitter that kicked butt!!!!!!!
Was told of another pond that has crappie in it but the only open area is right at the boat launch so not an ideal place to fish but I'm going to check it out!!
Checked out the pond this morning and without a small boat just isn't feasible to fish it from the boat launch. Gotta get the nephew to make some time to get out there with his boat!!!!!!
the new penny you call it isn't that a root beer with gold glitter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatman
a short note about this plastic bait as we went down yesterday and caught 52 bass on black and chartreuse also on pink or solid black also. these were from a pound and a half up to 3 pounds.
I like the powder painting you did on your jig heads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatman
that color combination has been a winner for me also and like you I love this mold you want a little bit more action take a razor blade and split the tale.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrNip
Snake I don't know what formula ctom used to pour them but my jig head was done with the new penny then a dip in the irridescent orange glitter with clear
I know my pic doesn't show the color good with the eye on it but there's a better one, usually for solid base colors I use my 2" fluid bed then go back and reheat and dip or brush tap with multi colors.
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...s/100_6321.jpg
I learned a lot on brush tapping jigs from others, I always used to do single colors.
working with powder paints always been interesting and you can do many different things .Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatman
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OK those of you using Texas Wiggler what is your preference on position of flat tail 1) in above pict tail is flat on jig-that is flat sides are top & bottom(like a paddle tail?) as opposed to flat sides would be on each side(same as the eyes on the jig) like a swimming jig?. just wondering what you feel is best action/catch ratio...Thanks jax
It doesn't seem to make any difference on which way that you rigged the plastic bait it catches just as many fish either use in that vertical or flat on talking about the tale of the plastic bait but I also would like to hear more input from the other guy's out there also would like to know COLOR preferences how many of you guys are fishing solid black or solid chartreuse so far fishing here in Oregon it doesn't seem to make any difference on what color combination that I'm using we are catching fish may be because the fish are hungry or maybe because they like the action I do not know it seems like FATMAN using the orange with the gold glitter seem to be doing fairly well may be the water is clear and they are seeing the flash.
Any tips on making the body bond better to the tail when shooting two different colors? I'm new at this and it seems like a I have 2-4 out of the 12 that the body and tail aren't bonded together well. I don't have this problem with my stinger swim bait mold were the tail is thicker. Seems like the problem gets worse the further down I get where I have reheated my plastic numerous times. Of course I just found out that I needed to re apply heat stabilizer about every 3 reheats. I previously wasn't doing this. Don't know if this caused the problem.
DRNIP I posted a picture here for you to look at your problem is you're pulling the body completely off of the tale use of razor blade and leave a quarter of an inch or your secondary color to bond to.
http://www.crappie.com/crappie/attac...r-dsc_0002-jpg
I thought about doing it this way but was partial to the tail being one color and the body another. It seems like with new plastic I have no problems. It's when I get into reheated plastic I have a problem. I also notice that some of the bodies don't shoot all the way the more I reheat the plastic. I am just wondering if not using heat stabilizer is jacking with the plastic not being evenly the same temp therefor not shooting or bonding well.
Haven't tried rigging the tail sideways - only other color I've tried is the purple/pearl and caught a few but not as many as the orange. I know I should try more colors but I'm having too much fun with the orange!
I don't have any problems on reheating plastic don't know what you're doing wrong but you can try heat stabilizer to see what happens try to heat your molds up a little bit before you shoot them sometimes it helps it sounds like you are shooting cold plastic or maybe I should say it's not hot enough sometimes if you shoot into a cold mold the plastic will harden automatically fast we've had problems with some of my molds that are fine detail and we To get them pretty hot.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrNip
going to try the orange with gold glitter it seems to be doing the trick for you so I'm going to make up a few.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatman
I know it's bugging the heck out of the bait guys but I'm loving the bait!!!!! Gave a couple to some kids so they could fish em this morning.
all I'm sure it's bugging the heck out of the big boys you know I've been looking at that stupid plastic bait and wondering why so simple of the plastic bait catches fish you know there's two other versions of the same plastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatman
Yeah I'm sure I'm making a newbie move somewhere as I've only been shooting plastics for a week! Back to the lab I go to perfect it.
we all have to start someplace just keep working with it and you'll get the hang of everything do it has a nice form lot a good ideal on their .Quote:
Originally Posted by DrNip
I keep getting this ripple effect in some of my tails. It almost looks like the plastic might be getting too hot in some places. Or some how it is cooling faster in spots and caving in. Could it be air bubbles causing this? What am I doing wrong and how can this be fixed?
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I have never had that problem with that mold I don't know exactly what is going on there how tight do you clamp your molds and if you are running your plastic around 350 there shouldn't be any problems I don't see any indication of air bubbles and how much pressure are you putting on the injector remember you do not have to apply a lot of pressure especially on that mold but I have never ever had anything like that happen with that mold yet and I run my temperatures up pretty hot I run most like temperatures around 335 to 350 just make sure that the mold is a little hot and try that try what I mentioned and get back to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrNip
I use to two plastic 300 lb squeeze clamps. I get it around 350 degrees. Maybe I am shooting it too hard and too fast. I will try shooting it slower. Another thought is that this green has been reheated probably 10-12 times. I have only been keeping the tails therefor I am throwing back a lot of plastic each time to be reheated. Could that have something to do with it?
How long are you letting them stay in the mold before you take them out? When I got into tail making mode I saw similar things beginning to happen when I was really rolling along. I think that portion of the mold gets too hot and when the baits come out the cooler air causes un-even shrinkage in the thin tail. I'm seeing a little flashing going on there and in this mold I see that too when the mold is getting real hot, regardless of how well it is clamped or with what .
About a minute or so. Sometimes maybe more and sometimes maybe less. I'm out in the garage late a night with both doors open. It's been cooler at night.
Since you're not being concerned about the bodies try taking them out of the mold in 20-30 seconds, just keep the gloves on though.
Will do.
Way better results last night. I couldn't slow the shoot down or else the tail didn't complete. So I had to shoot it fast. This time I left pressure on the injector for about 10 seconds and then waited a little longer before opening the mold. Roughly 1.5 - 2 minutes. If I have to apply pressure every time I don't how I would do this if I were to shoot multiple molds at once. Also I was way more careful of bubbles. Took my time getting them out if they appeared. And finally started cutting the tail a little further up into the body so I could get a better bond between body and tail. End results were no ripples in tail, way less rejects due to bubbles and no rejects due to improper bond between body and tail. I have a few more tweaks I'll try next session. One being trim the tail just a smidge further back on the body. I had a few that I did this with and the bait flawless transitioned from the tail into the body. Red/chartreuse is a color I have had great success with on my local lake. The 1st pic is one of the baits I talked about where the transition was smooth if you just barely cleft a little bit of the body with the tail.
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drnip I believe you got the hang of it buddy they look fantastic you did a good job you never get through learning and working with this hobby is a learning experience each mold is different weight to you get into some of the other ones will be pulling your hair out I have when it was custom made for me and it is a pain in the butt we have to heat the mold of on that one no way to get away from it either. I haven't done much posting with my little squid but it is a lovely bait with lots of action we will have to do some posting with that one we can't do 50-50 on them impossible we use a dual injector works fairly well but you have to work with everything superhot . recently I have a little hot plate that we been put in our molds on and hitting them up before shooting if it is too cold in the shop the red did you use is that just plain red or is it strawberry red or one of the other many red colors. tried to use a fl blue and chartreuse also bubblegum and chartreuse FL green and chartreuse. and I do wish that they would make a 20 cavity mold in the mold that you're using or what I call the Texas wiggler.
bob.
Yeah I wish they had a large cavity mold too.